Master Your Morning, Master Your Life: Gail Root's Guide to Cultivating Intimacy with God

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anybody who's listening right now, this is for you.

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You have something right now in your hands God has given you that

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you can share the world or your world or people in your world.

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Could your morning routine be the secret to unlocking

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success in business and faith?

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Welcome to Seek Go Create, where we explore this intriguing possibility

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with Gail Root, a seasoned entrepreneur turned kingdom-minded.

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Coach Gail has dedicated her life to empowering women to align their

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work with their divine purpose, all starting with the transformative

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power of their morning rituals.

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Join us as we uncover the daily steps that could lead you to a thriving

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business and a deeper spiritual journey.

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Gail, welcome to Seek Go Create.

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Tim, wonderful.

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I am glad you're here too.

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We had a great conversation before we started recording, but

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I gotta stick with my question.

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My, my first question, we've just met each other, we're pretending, which

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we have, and I ask you what you do.

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What do you tell people when they ask you what you do?

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I help women build their businesses on kingdom values.

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Period.

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Period.

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All right, so here's my follow-up question, which is what we

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like when people ask us what we do.

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My follow-up question would be values.

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What is that?

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Great question.

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I'm so glad you asked.

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so there are clear biblical values, in scripture, that the Lord has given us

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honoring him, seeking him first, declaring his word in our lives following his word

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when he tells us, I give you my plan.

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I have plans for you to prosper.

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You do not harm you.

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so we are building our businesses on.

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The truth of what God has told us, about our lives instead of

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focusing on circumstances and what the world's paradigm is, say, no, I

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wanna build my business on kingdom values, on biblical principles.

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So what's interesting, I'm sure that with that message you attract

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a lot of what we would call, we'd call 'em Christians, I'll use that word.

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I'm actually getting where, I don't wanna use that word as much.

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I hate to say

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true story, I tell my part of my story is I tell people that I

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had a Christian to kingdom conversion.

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that leads right into the question I was gonna have.

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'cause I'm sure, in fact, I know without a doubt that many people that would

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profess to be Christians, that they use that title no idea what we're talking

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about when we use the term kingdom.

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Now I also think that sometimes we throw around jargon within quote

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unquote the followers of Christ, the kingdom that a lot of people

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go, what are y'all talking about?

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It's like this weird different language, church talk or whatever.

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It's, and the thing that reminds me of Gail, I'll bring this up, is that

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we were at a church 10, 15 years ago that they would throw around that word

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kingdoms like we're a Kingdom church.

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and I was still growing in spiritual like I am today,

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even, you know, 30 years in I'm

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yes.

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going, what do you mean by Kingdom Church?

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And they said it with a little bit of an elitist, like, oh

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well we're, we're kingdom.

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and they're not like

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So as a follow up, I did about a three year study on the Kingdom of

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God, so that I understood it more.

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I spent, I went through every scripture that laid it out and, and so I love having

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conversations about the kingdom, but what would you say to someone who might

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be going, ah, okay, so I'm a Christian.

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I've been to church, going to church for a long time here.

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I don't know that I'm quite clear on what Gail said as far as kingdom goes.

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Yeah.

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it's interesting at the heart of, well, first I just, I love hearing that you

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spent three years studying the kingdom.

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I'm like, wow, okay.

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So I'm like literally taking a note.

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note to self, Gail, you need to do some more studying.

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But the heart of what I do, Tim, is helping that exact woman that you're

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describing that clearly identifies as a believer, clearly identifies as Christian.

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and is part of my story checking the boxes, right?

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Am I being a good wife?

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Am I being a good mother?

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Did I go to church?

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Am I in bible study?

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Am I, am I volunteering right?

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Checking all the boxes.

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But what I discovered, and that was my Christian journey um,

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all of the focus was on me.

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I was living this whole life of self idolatry, and I didn't even know it.

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I thought, what do you mean?

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How could I be full of self when I'm trying to make sure I'm being a good

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wife and a good Christian, and a good, volunteer and attending Bible

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study because all the focus was on me.

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And so when, for me, the Christian to kingdom conversion was getting my

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eyes off of myself and onto Jesus.

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And what did, what does Jesus say?

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What does Jesus want me to do today?

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What is Jesus already asked me to do that I'm not honoring?

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And so when I can get my eyes back on him?

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So really the heart of what I do is bring personal revival to women and that's where

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the heart of the book, the Heart of My Morning Practice, it's all about awakening

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us to this amazing life God has for us.

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And.

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Yeah, because we're in that world system, you'll

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hear me use the term Babylon.

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To me that's to draw the contrast between that kingdom system and the

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world system, which is all about self.

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And it's when we talk about success and why it's such a challenging thing.

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I do wanna ask though, 'cause I'm sure we've got listeners right now.

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We've got some that are male.

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I.

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And then

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that are female that

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they're probably going, okay, is this gonna be a real

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female oriented conversation?

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No, it's not.

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Lemme go ahead and say that 'cause there's some principles here that I

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know are apply to all of it, but what are some unique, issues, whatever.

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I mean for those that may not be watching the video, I am a mature white male.

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I'm not a female, so so I'm asking the question, like really wanting to know

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what are some of the unique challenges of women, women in business, women

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that are attempting to achieve and accomplish and also hold on to their

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faith and run families and all that.

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why women and what's their challenges?

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thank you.

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This is, I think when we step into our purpose, there's usually an element of our

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heart breaks for, and, you're describing the woman you know, and asking that

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question like, who my heart breaks for?

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Why am I a kingdom coach?

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Why does my heartbreak for women who are believers, they love the Lord and they're

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struggling with a few things, usually, and very typically, one, I shouldn't want

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more, I shouldn't really want success.

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And what does the enemy do?

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He takes God's word and he just perverts it just enough, right?

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So should we want more?

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okay, should we be grateful for what we have?

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Of course, we should be grateful for what we have.

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But is it really, did Jesus tell us really to not want more?

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No.

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look at even, I love the conversation Jesus has with the disciples when

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they all wanna be great and he doesn't admonish them, he doesn't spank

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their hands, he doesn't shame them.

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He says, I'll tell you how to be great, be a servant.

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And for the women that I serve, there's a couple areas.

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One is, am I really called to minister in the marketplace?

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I'm a woman.

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Am I really called to minister?

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Well, what does ministering really mean?

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It means giving hope, inspiration, being an example.

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and then the other big area for a lot of women is wealth building.

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and one thing that really gets a lot of, breakthrough for a lot of my

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clients is, and for all of us really in general, but well, there's wealth.

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There's pursuing righteous wealth and pursuing unrighteous wealth.

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Alright.

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And you described that perfectly pursuing unrighteous wealth would be that

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Babylon structure, you know, pursuing righteous wealth, doing it with God so

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that it can be an overflow from you.

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but women often really struggle with the idea that they could be wealth builders.

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And it's really heartbreaking because if you, there's been studies done,

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guess who the number one, when you look at demographics and you ask who

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would be the number one demographic?

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to be the most generous giver, the successful Christian businesswoman.

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So clearly if you put, if God can get money through us,

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he's going to get money to us.

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And so I help women to align with, that God has called them to their business.

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They can minister in the marketplace.

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They can build righteous wealth that pours out and blesses others.

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I think one of the things that's interesting to me

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about our society, culture, is that we do try to group people together.

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And here we are talking about women and I'm about to ask a question about men.

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So I want to almost apologize for grouping people together because

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this, it's not always a good thing.

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But yet we do see trends, my wife and I, were just having a

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conversation this morning about

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she takes on things in a much different way than I do, and

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they just stick to her.

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And I don't think about it like criticism.

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someone could say something to her and she thinks about it and all that.

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And she even commented to me, she goes, someone can say something about you,

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Tim, and she go, and you actually, I.

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Don't even believe them.

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. And I went, is that bad?

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She goes, well, maybe sometimes.

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But anyway, I digress.

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I don't wanna go down that path.

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What is it that, that you have seen that men need to know about

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the situations that women are in?

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Because the things you just brought up, I hate to say I'm sitting

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here, but it's almost like you're speaking a foreign language.

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I rolled out of bed at a young age thinking I'm gonna be a business owner.

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gonna go out and make me some money.

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Now I had to get the Lord had to do some work on my heart.

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'cause I

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issues that I had to deal with, but never thought once about

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not being in a leadership role and other things like that.

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I had other things I needed to work on.

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I just wanna be clear on that.

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But, and if you and I are in a boardroom or we are in a meeting room.

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I start talking loud and all that, it's like accepted, but yet you do.

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And it's oh my gosh, what's going on here?

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why are there so many things unique about, is there cultural?

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Is it spiritual?

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Is it, what is it?

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And then I do want us to shift a little bit and talk about,

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the way to, master our mornings.

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But I, I think this is important too.

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This is foundational.

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Yeah.

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I love this.

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I love this.

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And I do, I love how you honored both men and women by saying, we're making

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some groupings here, but of course, we, none of us fit in any of these molds.

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but I do think, I think it's cultural and spiritual, but I think in the

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church, Tim, I think, and there's a lot of Christian men and I Kingdom men.

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Quite honestly, a lot of kingdom minded men, whether they're pastors,

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not ministers, just prophetic men that are helping women to rise up.

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So when you think of half of the church, half of the body is female.

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And, if we could help women to see that, that God has a purpose and a plan

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for them to minister wherever he's put them, what you know clearly in their

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home, whether they, he's put them in corporate, whether he is put them in

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education, whether he is put them in a volunteer non-profit, a for-profit.

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but there, there seems to be, I don't dunno if this is gonna sound,

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but I'm just gonna say it almost like a level of permission most of

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the women I work with need from the Kingdom men in their life to say yes.

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Daughter of the king go fly, let go of all of the old lies.

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You were born to soar.

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You're a daughter of the king.

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And there's something about when a kingdom man, gives that sense of permission.

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I know.

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I'm probably gonna be rubbing some, making some people really

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uncomfortable using that word.

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and I don't mean it in the literal sense of permission, not that you're

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going and asking someone permission.

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I'm talking about when you hear a Kingdom man speak and through his

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message you awaken to the reality of your identity as a daughter of

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the king, and you are set free.

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Yeah, the, and that word permission is good, but also

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the word invite invitation came to mind while you were saying it

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because I don't think, let's group again.

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I don't think us men are used to giving permission or inviting.

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We just do

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Sometimes That's good.

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Sometimes I think what it does and just the conversation with my wife

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this morning, it might even repel or might even come across as a bit of a

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know-It-all I know I've got that in me.

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I have I, I've tried to get it out, but I could walk into a room and I can tell

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you some people that just meet me are gonna go, this guy thinks he knows it all.

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I think the thing that, that's interesting, Gail, is that

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this has been around forever.

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I was reading in the book of Luke last week, the account of all the women

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that went to the grave to minister to Jesus' body, there was no body there.

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They came running back to the disciples.

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And there is a line in Luke, I don't have the scripture in front of me,

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but it pretty much says the disciples didn't believe what they said.

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Right,

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and I'm with my wife going, this has been going on forever.

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This is not new stuff.

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, this is anyway, I do think that just having the conversation helps.

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And one of the things I've been saying all along, and I don't

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know how this works, is that.

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Men have traditionally moved into leadership roles.

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I think we're seeing examples all over that they can't handle it.

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they're not, they don't have enough humility.

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Their egos get in the way, and I think in many situations, including church

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world, that women need to step in.

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So maybe consider this an invitation, if my invitation means anything.

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Lead 'cause men aren't doing that great of a job at it.

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and we need to kinda step back and maybe provide some more support.

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My question, my next question though, Gail, is how have you, this is kind

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of a redefining success question.

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How have you come to this place?

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Gimme a little bit of, I joke about it all the time, Gail.

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The early years.

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You know how, because you mentioned that you were a check the box.

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I'm sure you're a task person.

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I'm sure you're an achiever.

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You remind me of my wife.

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She's one that wakes up with lists in her head when she wakes up in the morning.

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mastering her morning needs to be probably put the list aside and do other things.

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But, h how did you arrive at this place you're at now where you're

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working with Kingdom minded women?

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Yeah.

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I love, first of all, your podcast and I've, I love the whole

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concept of, redefining success.

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My early career was defined by exactly what you just said, hustle, grind.

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I purposely, if I was resting, there was something wrong,

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Did you feel

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guilty?

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Did you feel guilty if you ever arrested?

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gosh, guilty.

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Absolutely.

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it, not only guilty, but re trying to find thi this is gonna, this

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is gonna sound crazy, trying to find things to do, to rest.

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I literally couldn't just sit.

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So the redefining a success for me today is working from rest, working from a

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place of trust that God's got my bus.

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The business that he is called me to is his.

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He's got it.

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and he wants me to trust that I can do it from a place of rest with him.

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Learn the unforced rhythms of grace, Matthew 1128 through 30.

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And the message translation is such a powerful, translation

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for the kingdom entrepreneur.

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And specifically he says, watch how I do it.

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Walk with me.

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Work with me.

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And so today what I used to do was back to back, to back, to back to back.

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Now when I do that today, I'm like, whoa, something is really off.

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So I purposely put big pieces of space in between appointments and

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they are really, it, first it was very uncomfortable because it felt wasteful.

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It felt wasteful.

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And now what I've discovered is, and because I knew it in my head, but it

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had to travel to my heart, what I've discovered is putting those blocks.

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What I'm saying is, Lord, I trust you.

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You're gonna speak to me in this space.

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You're gonna rejuvenate me in this space.

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You're gonna have me, rest in this space.

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You're gonna help me let go of what I think needs to happen, and you're

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going to show me in the space that I've created what you have for me.

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So I will be more efficient and more effective for having

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rested, having made the space.

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And so when you say redefining success, I mean for me today, do I

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want my business to be successful?

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Of course, I do.

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however, is what's more important me to me today, that my success is

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defined by I can work from rest.

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Today.

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I can be more efficient and more effective, and lead from a place

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of integrity as a kingdom woman.

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And the interesting thing, this is what I find the more I dig

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into that, that you just mentioned, is that kingdom success often looks very

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different than that worldly or i'll Babylonian success and it's fascinating

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to me, bring up the hustle and grind.

Tim Winders: 00:19:03

I don't know why we've had this theme now for probably going on

Tim Winders: 00:19:06

a year here that it is very rare.

Tim Winders: 00:19:11

In fact, I, maybe we just don't attract it.

Tim Winders: 00:19:14

That we have people that talk about that hustle and grind.

Tim Winders: 00:19:19

and I did a solo episode a while back that was titled, Jesus Never Hustled.

Tim Winders: 00:19:23

Why Should You?

Tim Winders: 00:19:25

And and because as I read the gospels, I see no example of Jesus who had

Tim Winders: 00:19:29

the most important mission of anyone who has ever walked this earth.

Tim Winders: 00:19:35

never saw a situation where he said, all right guys, come

Tim Winders: 00:19:37

on, let's, pull up the tunics.

Tim Winders: 00:19:39

We gotta hustle.

Tim Winders: 00:19:39

Let's go, let's get going.

Tim Winders: 00:19:41

And I'm not saying they were lazy or anything like that.

Tim Winders: 00:19:43

That's our puritanical culture.

Tim Winders: 00:19:45

We believe something like that.

Tim Winders: 00:19:47

But so the hustle culture gripped me the most the nineties, Gail, I was

Tim Winders: 00:19:56

in a multi-level marketing business.

Tim Winders: 00:20:00

I know you've got background and I know that's who you coach.

Tim Winders: 00:20:02

And I wanna have a little bit of a conversation about that

Tim Winders: 00:20:05

because now I do also wanna say I was saved in that environment.

Tim Winders: 00:20:11

I learned more about how to be a good husband, a father, I learned a

Tim Winders: 00:20:16

lot of the communication skills that I have today in that environment.

Tim Winders: 00:20:19

I'll, I don't have a problem saying it.

Tim Winders: 00:20:21

We were 10 years in the Amway business, the structure, from about 90 to 2000.

Tim Winders: 00:20:26

And I learned a ton from it.

Tim Winders: 00:20:28

and I actually left BellSouth, we retired from that.

Tim Winders: 00:20:31

but here's what I noticed looking back on it, and I'm gonna use

Tim Winders: 00:20:35

this as an opening for you to talk about, you know, multi-level

Tim Winders: 00:20:38

marketing and things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:20:39

And I've got a couple things I want to ask about that that because

Tim Winders: 00:20:43

there was never a ceiling in that business, I was never able to rest

Tim Winders: 00:20:50

And so I'll just say that and let that hang in the air and you could

Tim Winders: 00:20:55

just take that and run with it and, but I know you've got background

Tim Winders: 00:20:58

there and I know you, that's one of the primary areas that you coach in.

Tim Winders: 00:21:01

So talk a little bit about that or just respond to what I said and say, Tim.

Gail Root: 00:21:06

Yeah.

Gail Root: 00:21:06

that's so interesting that never a ceiling.

Gail Root: 00:21:08

And that's a really interesting perspective.

Gail Root: 00:21:10

But when you were speaking at the beginning and talking about all that

Gail Root: 00:21:13

you learned there, a couple things.

Gail Root: 00:21:15

One, I do believe the industry's a breeding ground

Gail Root: 00:21:17

for coaches, for mentorship.

Gail Root: 00:21:20

but as I was transitioning out of the industry, I had built

Gail Root: 00:21:23

a couple different businesses.

Gail Root: 00:21:24

One in direct sales and one in, multi-level marketing.

Gail Root: 00:21:27

God called me to coaching.

Gail Root: 00:21:29

He called me to Christian coaching specifically.

Gail Root: 00:21:31

I was literally sitting in church.

Gail Root: 00:21:33

We have a brick and mortar business.

Gail Root: 00:21:35

Our, my three boys were in high school at the time.

Gail Root: 00:21:37

I didn't need another thing to do, nor was I looking for another thing to do.

Gail Root: 00:21:41

And at the time, I was not in the habit of hearing the Lord speak to me directly.

Gail Root: 00:21:48

And I heard the Holy Spirit say to me in the middle of church Christian coaching.

Gail Root: 00:21:55

And I knew there was every, it was a fire was lit.

Gail Root: 00:21:58

Every part of my being was just, and I walked out, I turned to my husband.

Gail Root: 00:22:02

I said, you're not gonna believe what just happened to me in there.

Gail Root: 00:22:04

And normally when I come up with one of my, he would consider it

Gail Root: 00:22:07

hair-brained ideas or whatever.

Gail Root: 00:22:09

he's usually, okay, let's talk about this.

Gail Root: 00:22:11

What's this gonna look like?

Gail Root: 00:22:12

What do you mean?

Gail Root: 00:22:14

And literally out, we weren't even to the car yet.

Gail Root: 00:22:17

We're walking through the parking lot.

Gail Root: 00:22:18

I told him what happened and.

Gail Root: 00:22:20

It's perfect for you.

Gail Root: 00:22:22

And it just was another, you know, powerful confirmation.

Gail Root: 00:22:26

'cause that was, that is not how we normally, it would've been a

Gail Root: 00:22:29

negotiation and a long conversation.

Gail Root: 00:22:31

but as I step into the industry, God shows me that he wants me to stay here.

Gail Root: 00:22:35

Gail, you've been for decades in this industry.

Gail Root: 00:22:38

I want you to stay here and coach my daughters in this industry,

Gail Root: 00:22:42

to build not on hustle and grind, but on my kingdom values.

Gail Root: 00:22:47

And he showed me how the industry, and you described it, Tim, through,

Gail Root: 00:22:51

through what you experienced at Amway, is founded in Biblical principles.

Gail Root: 00:22:55

freedom.

Gail Root: 00:22:56

Why do we come for freedom?

Gail Root: 00:22:59

For freedom?

Gail Root: 00:23:00

We people come flocking to the industry for freedom of time, freedom of income.

Gail Root: 00:23:06

no one's gonna put a ceiling on me.

Gail Root: 00:23:09

No one's gonna tell me I get a three point percent raise at the end of

Gail Root: 00:23:12

the year if I do da, da, da, da, da, personal development, servant

Gail Root: 00:23:15

leadership, multiplication, prosperity.

Gail Root: 00:23:18

these are all the things the industry's founded on.

Gail Root: 00:23:21

And so I literally have an ad running right now on Facebook, and

Gail Root: 00:23:25

it's about how the enemy has had a foothold in this industry for far

Gail Root: 00:23:30

too long, because he knows that if we can really see that God is working

Gail Root: 00:23:37

profoundly in this industry, and you can build on kingdom values in this

Gail Root: 00:23:41

industry, you'll be set free and you'll multiply because that's what God does.

Gail Root: 00:23:47

it's been a really exciting, really exciting journey.

Tim Winders: 00:23:51

what's interesting, I'm gonna go here for a second too.

Tim Winders: 00:23:53

I listened to a podcast recently from a friend that, her and someone else were

Tim Winders: 00:24:00

being very critical of MLMs and they're, they are faith people of faith, and

Tim Winders: 00:24:06

they were talking about the challenges when it comes into a church environment.

Tim Winders: 00:24:10

The thing that this with them, sort of, but maybe we could chit

Tim Winders: 00:24:16

chat about it here, is that neither one of them had ever been in one.

Tim Winders: 00:24:20

I think it's challenging at times when people and I, in one of the

Tim Winders: 00:24:24

comments, I said, oh, really?

Tim Winders: 00:24:25

I said, yeah, I know that at times there are, this is not a

Tim Winders: 00:24:30

bad word, necessarily, cult-like.

Tim Winders: 00:24:32

Situations that occur.

Tim Winders: 00:24:34

I know they may not be for everyone I know.

Tim Winders: 00:24:37

Not everyone may reach levels of success that they desire to blah,

Tim Winders: 00:24:40

blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:24:41

We could go through all that.

Tim Winders: 00:24:43

However, I was saved in a cossum with 4,000 other people at

Tim Winders: 00:24:51

an Amway convention in 1991.

Gail Root: 00:24:55

Yes.

Tim Winders: 00:24:56

I.

Tim Winders: 00:24:57

Do not think that I would've been saved in a church setting.

Tim Winders: 00:25:00

'cause I was not wired to be one of these guys that was gonna pop

Tim Winders: 00:25:03

in and out of church that often.

Tim Winders: 00:25:05

I'd been going to a church, but it was, I was just going

Tim Winders: 00:25:07

for looks and stuff like that.

Tim Winders: 00:25:10

And so I think there's power there I don't wanna be all fluffy and all that.

Tim Winders: 00:25:16

There's obviously some challenges and all that.

Tim Winders: 00:25:17

What are some of the biggest challenges in that industry that you see that

Tim Winders: 00:25:22

people face and all, and even practical things, like they don't do the work.

Tim Winders: 00:25:27

is one.

Gail Root: 00:25:28

I think the perception that you're talking about, to hear

Gail Root: 00:25:30

that there were two faith-based women being really critical of

Gail Root: 00:25:33

an industry, it hurts my heart.

Gail Root: 00:25:35

Why?

Gail Root: 00:25:36

Because, let me first go to, why most have that perspective.

Gail Root: 00:25:40

a company in a multilevel and marketing environment, whether

Gail Root: 00:25:44

you're in direct sales, multi, you know, whether you're in wellness,

Gail Root: 00:25:46

whether you're in, clothing, whether you're, in jewelry, doesn't matter.

Gail Root: 00:25:51

Okay.

Gail Root: 00:25:52

they spend millions of dollars on product research, product development.

Gail Root: 00:25:57

And so when they launch a product, they want their Affiliates to

Gail Root: 00:26:03

think this thing is the best thing since sliced bread, right?

Gail Root: 00:26:07

That's their job is to promote it.

Gail Root: 00:26:09

But in that, in so doing, as believers especially, we hear the over hype,

Gail Root: 00:26:15

we hear the overselling, we hear the, there ends up being almost like a lie.

Gail Root: 00:26:21

It feels like there's a lie in it, And I caution my clients all

Gail Root: 00:26:24

the time, don't ever say things like, we have the best ever.

Gail Root: 00:26:29

this is the only thing on the market.

Gail Root: 00:26:31

Do you really know that, that it's the only thing on the market?

Gail Root: 00:26:33

'cause I probably can guarantee you it's probably not.

Gail Root: 00:26:37

and so it's just that at anything that we do.

Gail Root: 00:26:41

There when we start out, I wanna use the word immature, but that's

Gail Root: 00:26:45

not even really fair, but there's a youthfulness to what we're doing.

Gail Root: 00:26:49

An exuberance, right?

Gail Root: 00:26:51

And so really, I think often what you're, and, and that same exuberance makes you

Gail Root: 00:26:57

call somebody again and again, right?

Gail Root: 00:27:00

And you're taught to follow up.

Gail Root: 00:27:03

So those two things right there, give a lot of, justification for people to say,

Gail Root: 00:27:10

Ugh, comes into the church and she's trying to get everybody to, you know,

Gail Root: 00:27:15

all those, all those kind of things.

Gail Root: 00:27:16

But, and I get that, but done well, done Well.

Gail Root: 00:27:22

Oh, it is, it's disciple making.

Gail Root: 00:27:25

And I know that sounds a little dramatic, but I've seen it.

Gail Root: 00:27:29

I've seen it happen over and over again.

Gail Root: 00:27:31

And you experienced it Exactly.

Gail Root: 00:27:33

You experienced it.

Gail Root: 00:27:34

just finding greater purpose, finding greater hope, finding greater inspiration,

Gail Root: 00:27:39

believing that you're not confined to what the world is telling you.

Gail Root: 00:27:44

And you come around a community of people who say, we'll show you how to

Gail Root: 00:27:48

grow, how to develop, how to mature.

Tim Winders: 00:27:51

the great thing about those businesses is that there's typically a

Tim Winders: 00:27:57

low barrier to entry, which means that

Tim Winders: 00:28:00

truly are open to everyone, which is very democratized,

Tim Winders: 00:28:07

whatever word you want to use.

Gail Root: 00:28:08

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:28:09

The challenge with those businesses is that there's a very low

Tim Winders: 00:28:13

barrier to entry . They're open to everyone, which means everyone that can

Tim Winders: 00:28:19

step in with their baggage, their fears, their doubts, which is one of the reasons

Tim Winders: 00:28:22

why a lot of people could definitely use a coach, maybe even outside their line

Tim Winders: 00:28:26

of sponsorship and things like that, is that there's baggage all up and down.

Tim Winders: 00:28:32

Someone could be needing an extra 200, 400, $800 a month, like

Tim Winders: 00:28:37

they need a breath of fresh air.

Tim Winders: 00:28:39

They're looking

Tim Winders: 00:28:40

the people sitting on the pews in church and going, you know what?

Tim Winders: 00:28:43

I got me somebody.

Tim Winders: 00:28:44

I'm gonna, they would be so good.

Tim Winders: 00:28:46

And so I get that.

Tim Winders: 00:28:48

I actually understand both sides of the equation.

Tim Winders: 00:28:51

'cause I've been there.

Tim Winders: 00:28:53

But here's the thing.

Tim Winders: 00:28:54

I will tell anybody this, the net gain that I have personally had far exceeds

Tim Winders: 00:29:02

anything that I could say negative.

Tim Winders: 00:29:04

And in fact, I mean my wife right now, we've got essential oils

Tim Winders: 00:29:08

all over our, all, all over.

Tim Winders: 00:29:10

I'm looking right here at a diffuser.

Tim Winders: 00:29:12

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:29:13

I mean I stubbed my toe yesterday outside 'cause you know it's a tough

Tim Winders: 00:29:17

life living in an rv and so I'm bleeding and she goes, here's an oil.

Tim Winders: 00:29:21

Just rub it on it and it stopped bleeding and I'm healed this morning.

Tim Winders: 00:29:24

So before we get off this one item here, Gail, it's, I know that someone who's

Tim Winders: 00:29:29

been on the journey, you've been on.

Tim Winders: 00:29:32

Has had a situation that would've been a low point that you had to really

Tim Winders: 00:29:37

redefine what success looked like for you.

Tim Winders: 00:29:40

and we don't shy away from discussing those.

Tim Winders: 00:29:42

I, we don't even call 'em failures truthfully, Gail, because I go

Tim Winders: 00:29:47

back to what we went through from oh eight to 13, 14, 15, homeless,

Tim Winders: 00:29:52

bankrupt, all that kind of stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:29:53

And I look at it now and I'm not, I would not be who I am today if it

Tim Winders: 00:29:58

were not for that part of the journey.

Tim Winders: 00:29:59

got anything you could share related to that before we start mastering our

Tim Winders: 00:30:02

morning and discussing the book and all

Tim Winders: 00:30:04

that can help us

Gail Root: 00:30:05

so many of them.

Gail Root: 00:30:06

which one would I pick?

Gail Root: 00:30:08

I think, you, I'm sure you've heard this, but I don't know

Gail Root: 00:30:10

if your listeners have that.

Gail Root: 00:30:12

the industry of direct sales and network marketing is really personal

Gail Root: 00:30:14

development disguised as a business.

Gail Root: 00:30:17

And so certainly my maturing as a Christian, as a leader, as a woman,

Gail Root: 00:30:23

the industry had a massive impact on that as a mother, as a wife.

Gail Root: 00:30:27

but I'll never forget early on, this was just it.

Gail Root: 00:30:30

This just describes this kind of selfish, immature.

Gail Root: 00:30:34

Attitude.

Gail Root: 00:30:35

the company announces a big incentive trip, and it was not

Gail Root: 00:30:39

the normal annual incentive trip.

Gail Root: 00:30:41

It was like the one on steroids, the special thing that they were gonna do.

Gail Root: 00:30:45

So my little sister's, my upline, and she calls me and my boys were

Gail Root: 00:30:48

really young at the time, and she says, so are you gonna go for it?

Gail Root: 00:30:51

And I said, no.

Gail Root: 00:30:54

And she said, why?

Gail Root: 00:30:55

Because I'm typically a carrot chaser and I would typically earn the annual trip.

Gail Root: 00:31:00

I said, because this is so embarrassing because I'm not gonna

Gail Root: 00:31:04

earn it, so why would I go for it?

Gail Root: 00:31:06

And she just sat there and she said, what about all the things that might happen?

Gail Root: 00:31:14

Life just trying to earn it and you being proud of yourself even if you didn't

Gail Root: 00:31:19

earn it, but you were proud of yourself for trying and experiencing everything

Gail Root: 00:31:24

that would happen along the way.

Gail Root: 00:31:27

I literally, I felt like this, just inside of me know, first of

Gail Root: 00:31:31

all is my little sister telling me this, pointing out a clear truth.

Gail Root: 00:31:36

and I felt embarrassed and I felt ashamed.

Gail Root: 00:31:38

And I remember putting the, I can literally tell you exactly where I

Gail Root: 00:31:41

was sitting when this was happening.

Gail Root: 00:31:43

I could almost feel like the sun, the way it was streaming in from the window.

Gail Root: 00:31:46

And I put the, phone down and I just had an epiphany at that moment.

Gail Root: 00:31:51

Gail.

Gail Root: 00:31:53

It's not about that outcome.

Gail Root: 00:31:55

It's not about your performance at the end.

Gail Root: 00:31:58

It's not about if you hit it or not and what people think.

Gail Root: 00:32:02

It's about your journey along the way.

Gail Root: 00:32:05

It's about you saying, yes, God, I will try, I will go for this and I will

Gail Root: 00:32:10

trust that everything that's supposed to happen along the way will be perfect.

Gail Root: 00:32:14

And if it, whatever the outcome is that's in your hands.

Gail Root: 00:32:17

And it was a completely life changing moment for me.

Gail Root: 00:32:22

But that person was adamant before that phone call.

Gail Root: 00:32:28

it was a Holy Spirit moment because before that phone call, I, there was no way I

Gail Root: 00:32:32

was going for it, It was just that self.

Gail Root: 00:32:35

I knew what was best.

Gail Root: 00:32:36

That was not gonna be it.

Gail Root: 00:32:38

I was not gonna go for it.

Gail Root: 00:32:40

It was just that resistant, self-righteous, critical,

Gail Root: 00:32:44

judgmental, performance driven.

Gail Root: 00:32:48

Unwilling to be vulnerable and embarrassed and make a mistake or not earn it.

Gail Root: 00:32:52

All of it all wrapped up in one thing,

Tim Winders: 00:32:57

And the challenge with that is that sometimes don't think we

Tim Winders: 00:33:01

grasp the importance of the journey.

Tim Winders: 00:33:04

We look at life at the, as these events.

Tim Winders: 00:33:06

That was one of the

Tim Winders: 00:33:07

things I struggled with when we were, doing the Amway structure, was

Tim Winders: 00:33:12

I kept looking at events and, pins and levels and things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:33:17

and I never, especially looking back now, I was hustle and grind.

Tim Winders: 00:33:21

I mean, I was proud of the fact that I slept three, I average three

Tim Winders: 00:33:25

hours a night the entire nineties.

Tim Winders: 00:33:28

And now I think about that and go, what the heck what was I thinking?

Tim Winders: 00:33:32

And all that.

Tim Winders: 00:33:33

But, it's just, I think all that was part of my journey too, going through

Tim Winders: 00:33:37

To get to the place that I am.

Tim Winders: 00:33:40

So one of the things that I gathered, and my wife and I have been on this

Tim Winders: 00:33:47

thing the last handful of months of embracing gratitude more and looking

Tim Winders: 00:33:52

at, she does some things in the evening.

Tim Winders: 00:33:54

I do some things in the morning and we look at our routines and things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:33:58

And I think, I think part of our morning routine is very important this journey

Tim Winders: 00:34:07

that we're talking about somewhere along the way, either something clicked with

Tim Winders: 00:34:11

you or it morphed or transformed or you gradually moved into somewhat of a

Tim Winders: 00:34:18

system for what you do in the mornings.

Tim Winders: 00:34:21

When was that and what was going on and how did you begin arriving at what

Tim Winders: 00:34:26

we'll talk about here with the master of your morning, the book that you've got.

Gail Root: 00:34:29

It was about six years ago.

Gail Root: 00:34:31

I was, I believe now God was trying to get my attention and I wasn't listening.

Tim Winders: 00:34:38

Don't you think he's, don't you think he's, always

Tim Winders: 00:34:39

trying to get our attention?

Tim Winders: 00:34:41

I'm coming to the conclusion that I'd like to think, oh, he's got my

Tim Winders: 00:34:44

attention and then I'll talk to him more.

Tim Winders: 00:34:46

He goes, no, I want it more.

Tim Winders: 00:34:48

I want more of your attention.

Tim Winders: 00:34:50

Sorry to interrupt you, but I think he's always trying to do that.

Gail Root: 00:34:54

I love that he's always wanting our attention.

Gail Root: 00:34:56

I literally heard that afterwards, a couple years, even afterwards, I heard the

Gail Root: 00:35:00

Holy Spirit say, Gail, the pace of your life was so loud you could not hear my.

Gail Root: 00:35:07

And that rule one, I didn't believe I could hear his voice.

Gail Root: 00:35:10

So that was my first problem.

Gail Root: 00:35:12

I thought that was for pastors and ministers and missionaries, not for me.

Gail Root: 00:35:16

so believing that God actually does want to speak to me regularly and

Gail Root: 00:35:21

then at the Holy Spirit will reveal, so that was my first thing, but what

Gail Root: 00:35:25

was happening at the time, I was having a lot of physical problems

Gail Root: 00:35:29

and, some nerve pain was one of them.

Gail Root: 00:35:31

A colitis, some gut issues was another one.

Gail Root: 00:35:34

And, some herniations in my neck, some so and because of all of that

Gail Root: 00:35:38

I was emotionally, um, really low.

Gail Root: 00:35:44

'cause I like to move and do, and when you can't, it was really affecting me.

Gail Root: 00:35:48

And so I cried out, God help me.

Gail Root: 00:35:51

And I literally heard the Holy Spirit say.

Gail Root: 00:35:54

I've told you, first he said, you're creating this is self-induced

Gail Root: 00:35:59

anxiety that you're creating.

Gail Root: 00:36:02

And I'd never really heard that before, that you could create.

Gail Root: 00:36:05

I thought all my anxiety was a result of everything that was happening around

Gail Root: 00:36:08

me was all that, if my neck would get better, if the nerve pain would

Gail Root: 00:36:12

go away, if my gut would get better, if my kid would do better, whatever

Gail Root: 00:36:15

it was all outside of me and those were the things causing me anxiety.

Gail Root: 00:36:19

So anyway, I, when I realized this is my choice, I'm choosing,

Gail Root: 00:36:23

this is self-induced anxiety.

Gail Root: 00:36:24

So that was the first thing he told me.

Gail Root: 00:36:26

And the second thing he said um, I have this most amazing life plan

Gail Root: 00:36:31

for you and you're missing it.

Gail Root: 00:36:34

And that was my first window, Tim, into the kingdom life, into

Gail Root: 00:36:38

the belief that Jesus did not just die to give me salvation.

Gail Root: 00:36:45

It was not just an evacuation plan.

Gail Root: 00:36:49

He died to, to give me salvation in eternal life, but to bring his kingdom

Gail Root: 00:36:54

here now and to have his Holy Spirit in all of us and work through it.

Gail Root: 00:36:58

that was my first little window into that.

Gail Root: 00:37:00

So I cried out what do I do?

Gail Root: 00:37:03

And I heard again, I told you what to do and you're not doing it.

Gail Root: 00:37:09

And now that it was the most, it wasn't shame.

Gail Root: 00:37:12

I didn't feel shame.

Gail Root: 00:37:14

It was the most loving voice.

Gail Root: 00:37:17

I didn't feel, like I had been put in the corner.

Gail Root: 00:37:20

you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing, and I

Gail Root: 00:37:24

knew right away seek me first.

Gail Root: 00:37:26

Matthew 6 33 might have, have just been painted across the sky, and seek me first.

Gail Root: 00:37:32

But I knew that he meant literally every morning when you wake up.

Gail Root: 00:37:40

When you start those wheels turning, I want you to put those feet on the floor

Gail Root: 00:37:44

and I want you to come seek me first.

Gail Root: 00:37:47

I want you to honor me first.

Gail Root: 00:37:48

Seek me first.

Gail Root: 00:37:50

Listen, not pray, not read your devotionals, not read my

Gail Root: 00:37:54

word, because guess what, Tim?

Gail Root: 00:37:57

I was even Dr.

Gail Root: 00:37:58

I was directing that.

Gail Root: 00:38:01

I was directing that.

Gail Root: 00:38:03

So it was sit and be silent and seek him first.

Gail Root: 00:38:08

And so then from this, these steps started developing.

Gail Root: 00:38:11

And what did I want to do first?

Gail Root: 00:38:13

I wanted my checklist first.

Gail Root: 00:38:15

So it became the last thing I did in the morning

Tim Winders: 00:38:19

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:38:20

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:38:21

That's what Gloria will would do.

Tim Winders: 00:38:23

My wife Gloria, she would that checklist, in fact, if she actually did anything that

Tim Winders: 00:38:28

wasn't on her checklist, she would put it on the list so she could check it off.

Tim Winders: 00:38:32

So the first step, as I read through the book, which is a great book,

Tim Winders: 00:38:36

by the way, master Your Morning and, we can talk some about that.

Tim Winders: 00:38:41

The first step relates to what you just said.

Tim Winders: 00:38:44

I think it's surrender.

Tim Winders: 00:38:45

Is that right?

Tim Winders: 00:38:47

And I perceive if I am wrong, Gail, you correct me and you correct me with vigor,

Tim Winders: 00:38:53

but I perceive that you are one that you like to control things as much as you can

Tim Winders: 00:39:02

and you like to be in charge and control.

Tim Winders: 00:39:03

And that's not a bad thing.

Tim Winders: 00:39:04

I think it's the way many people are successful in, we'll

Tim Winders: 00:39:08

call it that world system.

Tim Winders: 00:39:10

What's interesting, it's the opposite in the kingdom, and I think

Tim Winders: 00:39:13

that's where a lot of us struggle.

Tim Winders: 00:39:14

but

Tim Winders: 00:39:15

how difficult is it for someone who likes to control, and again, if

Tim Winders: 00:39:22

I'm, if I'm wrong on that, you're nodding, for those that can't

Tim Winders: 00:39:25

see the video, she's nodding for.

Tim Winders: 00:39:27

For someone that has high on the control scale to begin their morning

Tim Winders: 00:39:34

with surrender, how tough is that?

Gail Root: 00:39:38

toughest thing I do every day.

Gail Root: 00:39:40

Most humbling thing I do every day, every morning.

Gail Root: 00:39:44

I like to say you're a hundred percent I'd like to say that over the past

Gail Root: 00:39:48

30 years I've walked, a, I've walked out of a lot of that pit of control.

Gail Root: 00:39:58

'cause it's basically fear.

Gail Root: 00:39:59

Fear that it's not gonna go the way I think it needs to go and, or I'm not

Gail Root: 00:40:04

gonna do, or someone else is not gonna do.

Gail Root: 00:40:06

And I've, over time let the Lord show me how hurtful that is to my

Gail Root: 00:40:11

life, my marriage, my relationship with my children, all the things.

Gail Root: 00:40:16

trying to really play God is what I'm doing.

Gail Root: 00:40:19

And but, Yes, it's clearly still there.

Gail Root: 00:40:22

the point of the book is to grow in your intimacy with the Lord, grow

Gail Root: 00:40:25

in your ability to hear his voice.

Gail Root: 00:40:28

And I think I sort of thought as I started to really like, develop this

Gail Root: 00:40:32

ear that was grew in confidence that I was really hearing from the Lord

Gail Root: 00:40:37

and I'm, it's not perfect every day.

Gail Root: 00:40:39

nothing like that.

Gail Root: 00:40:40

But, I would've told you that my guess would've been, that I

Gail Root: 00:40:48

would've been seeing myself more.

Gail Root: 00:40:51

I'm going to be a little silly here, but, walking more into Saint, walking

Gail Root: 00:40:56

more into spiritual maturity, noticing more spiritual fruit and all while that

Gail Root: 00:41:01

is indeed true, what I was shocked to discover is the closer I get to Jesus.

Gail Root: 00:41:10

The more clear my defects are, the things that I need to work on are my

Gail Root: 00:41:17

need for him becomes even clearer.

Gail Root: 00:41:20

I thought that as I got closer to him, I wouldn't, that my neediness, my brokenness

Gail Root: 00:41:27

would be getting cleaned up, and the irony has been, as I've gotten closer to

Gail Root: 00:41:34

him, had more spiritual fruit in my life.

Gail Root: 00:41:37

Often I'm more clear than ever of the parts of me that need to

Gail Root: 00:41:42

be laid down and worked on Still.

Tim Winders: 00:41:48

Gosh.

Tim Winders: 00:41:49

the fascinating thing about that is I'm sitting here thinking, I, I think

Tim Winders: 00:41:56

especially in the culture we're in, maybe it's, see, I have this theory that

Tim Winders: 00:42:03

most of our modern church circles have, this is a bad word for a lot of people.

Tim Winders: 00:42:11

They have the Prosperity Gospel built into them, and the prosperity

Tim Winders: 00:42:16

Gospel to me is I get saved.

Tim Winders: 00:42:19

I start doing some things with Jesus, and my life's gonna be awesome.

Tim Winders: 00:42:23

I.

Tim Winders: 00:42:23

When what you brought up, you know, it is perfect.

Tim Winders: 00:42:26

We'll use the word perfected, but it's really fascinating

Tim Winders: 00:42:29

because I'm the same way.

Tim Winders: 00:42:31

The closer I get to him, the more I see my flaws and the

Tim Winders: 00:42:35

see that the only way those flaws can be dealt with is to

Tim Winders: 00:42:39

continue getting closer to him.

Tim Winders: 00:42:41

And so what that leads us to is continuing the process.

Tim Winders: 00:42:47

don't back it up and keep going down this process, which you've obviously

Tim Winders: 00:42:51

developed as a morning routine.

Tim Winders: 00:42:54

Does it have to be in the morning?

Gail Root: 00:42:57

So great question.

Gail Root: 00:42:58

I have this gets asked a lot.

Gail Root: 00:43:02

are there beautiful spiritual disciplines and fruit that comes

Gail Root: 00:43:06

from being reflective in the evening or, in the middle of the day?

Gail Root: 00:43:09

Of course.

Gail Root: 00:43:10

but for me, the, the concept here is will I make him first?

Gail Root: 00:43:18

So the world wants me to grab my phone, check my notifications, how many e you

Gail Root: 00:43:23

know, the emails that came in, the texts that came in, the messages that came in,

Gail Root: 00:43:26

look at my, my, my calendar for the day.

Gail Root: 00:43:28

And I'm already spinning.

Gail Root: 00:43:31

I'm already leading and falling back into that control space

Gail Root: 00:43:36

and controlling all the things.

Gail Root: 00:43:37

And I literally will hear the Lord sometimes say, are.

Gail Root: 00:43:41

In just this like kid-like delight, like way, come to me first Gail.

Gail Root: 00:43:46

And and then some people will say, Gail, I'm not an early

Gail Root: 00:43:49

riser, or I work the night shift.

Gail Root: 00:43:51

guess what?

Gail Root: 00:43:51

We all have a morning whenever your morning is.

Gail Root: 00:43:54

The concept really is just, will we honor him by making him first?

Tim Winders: 00:43:59

And then the second kind of, I don't know if it's

Tim Winders: 00:44:03

counter or something like that.

Tim Winders: 00:44:05

I was actually, I was actually, as I was reading the book last night and

Tim Winders: 00:44:09

kind of finishing it up, I was laying there next to my wife and she was

Tim Winders: 00:44:13

doing bible study and things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:44:16

And I said, let me, let me run some six steps by you.

Tim Winders: 00:44:20

I'm gonna be talking to Gail tomorrow.

Tim Winders: 00:44:22

and, and so my wife, who is a great counter for my rigidity,

Tim Winders: 00:44:27

I am very habit forming and at times I should be more flexible.

Gail Root: 00:44:34

Yes.

Tim Winders: 00:44:35

was her comment, and I'm sure you hear this

Tim Winders: 00:44:38

seems a bit strict

Gail Root: 00:44:42

Yes.

Tim Winders: 00:44:42

and.

Tim Winders: 00:44:44

And then we had this great conversation that I'll share more with you in

Tim Winders: 00:44:47

just a moment, but when someone says, Ooh, six steps, 10 minutes each, or

Tim Winders: 00:44:52

whatever the timeframe is, how do you respond when someone says that?

Tim Winders: 00:44:56

And I'll tell you, I'll tell you the rest of our conversation after you tell me.

Gail Root: 00:44:59

Yeah.

Gail Root: 00:45:00

So I think that, my, my first response usually is, and people will ask that

Gail Root: 00:45:05

question in the same, asking the same thing, but in, in different ways.

Gail Root: 00:45:09

and my response usually is, listen, if what you're doing right now.

Gail Root: 00:45:15

Is growing your intimacy with the Lord, growing your ability to hear

Gail Root: 00:45:19

his voice bringing more fruit.

Gail Root: 00:45:21

Peace, joy, trust, hope, keep doing what you're doing.

Gail Root: 00:45:27

But if it's not, will you just try?

Gail Root: 00:45:31

Will you just try and see what might he, what he might have here for you?

Gail Root: 00:45:36

Because clearly he's a God of order.

Gail Root: 00:45:38

He's a God of order.

Gail Root: 00:45:40

He's not a god of rigidity.

Gail Root: 00:45:41

So it's not for you to, to clinging to this and say, oh, I'm following

Gail Root: 00:45:45

and I do it, and make this an idol.

Gail Root: 00:45:47

No, it's not that at all.

Gail Root: 00:45:48

It's just having this as a path.

Gail Root: 00:45:51

I found that I sat in church for years, Tim, wanting to cry out,

Gail Root: 00:45:59

but never had the courage to do it.

Gail Root: 00:46:02

Listen to some powerful, incredible sermons about growing closer, to

Gail Root: 00:46:07

the Lord about hearing his voice.

Gail Root: 00:46:09

And I wanted to cry out from the depth of my heart, but how I read his word.

Gail Root: 00:46:17

I read devote, but how I just didn't feel like there was.

Gail Root: 00:46:23

and so really this, it, this came born from my own cries, my own needs.

Gail Root: 00:46:29

and yes, if you tend to be more structured, this will

Gail Root: 00:46:32

be more comfortable for you.

Gail Root: 00:46:33

If you tend to be less structured, this could be uncomfortable.

Gail Root: 00:46:36

Sometimes people who are unstructured need the structure, but I, what I would usually

Gail Root: 00:46:43

say is, listen, give it six months.

Gail Root: 00:46:46

Give it six months.

Gail Root: 00:46:48

Ask God, show me the fruit in this.

Gail Root: 00:46:52

Surprise me Lord.

Gail Root: 00:46:54

and then say to him, okay, now you know me, Lord, so help me to change this.

Gail Root: 00:46:59

So it's more in, in what I need.

Gail Root: 00:47:03

so that's usually how I handle, handle that.

Tim Winders: 00:47:07

and I love the answer because in the back and forth that

Tim Winders: 00:47:10

I had with Glory, it was something to the effect of, first of all,

Tim Winders: 00:47:17

if someone's doing nothing, I.

Tim Winders: 00:47:21

What a great system.

Tim Winders: 00:47:22

What a great, and I wanna say the book was such a nice, quick, simple read.

Tim Winders: 00:47:30

yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:47:30

And we'll talk more about the pro.

Tim Winders: 00:47:31

yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:47:31

I mean it was just, it was really quick and I'm going, oh wow, that's,

Tim Winders: 00:47:35

and I was reading I think APDF version that I have from y'all, and it was

Tim Winders: 00:47:38

just like, wow, this is, 'cause sometimes when I'll sit down, I'm like,

Tim Winders: 00:47:41

okay, I've gotta have a lot of time.

Tim Winders: 00:47:42

And I'm going, wow, this is very refreshing.

Tim Winders: 00:47:45

And here's the reason why I like that.

Tim Winders: 00:47:47

Because general, someone who is not blocking time to do the things they need

Tim Winders: 00:47:52

to do with the Lord, probably time is at a premium for them, the conversation

Tim Winders: 00:48:00

that Gloria and I had was, you know what, for someone who hasn't started, who's

Tim Winders: 00:48:04

not doing anything, this is perfect for them to get moving and get going along.

Tim Winders: 00:48:08

For someone like me or Gloria who's doing things, this is a reminder.

Tim Winders: 00:48:12

'cause the step that I probably miss is that surrender.

Tim Winders: 00:48:16

And so this morning when I got up and I started, what I usually do, I didn't

Tim Winders: 00:48:21

totally go through the system, but you know what I said, Lord, I'm just gonna

Tim Winders: 00:48:25

pray in the spirit for a little while.

Tim Winders: 00:48:26

I'm just gonna sit here before I jump into my scripture.

Tim Winders: 00:48:30

'cause I usually jump into my scripture.

Tim Winders: 00:48:32

I thought that was phenomenal.

Tim Winders: 00:48:34

At what point did you say, oh, this is not just good, it needs to be shared with

Tim Winders: 00:48:40

the world, so I need to write about it.

Gail Root: 00:48:43

Oh, that, that thought never really came.

Gail Root: 00:48:46

So what actually happened in the, in right when Covid was breaking out?

Gail Root: 00:48:52

So we're at March of 2020.

Gail Root: 00:48:54

I had been practicing for about three years, and it was extremely personal.

Gail Root: 00:48:59

I barely, my husband knew that, and my kids knew that mom went to her chair in

Gail Root: 00:49:05

the morning and I had my time at my chair.

Gail Root: 00:49:08

But I really didn't talk to people about what I did during that time.

Gail Root: 00:49:13

clearly they knew my Bible was there, a journal was there, but that was about it.

Gail Root: 00:49:17

So I'm listening to a Kingdom coach say, you have something right now,

Gail Root: 00:49:21

and I'm telling, I'm anybody who's listening right now, this is for you.

Gail Root: 00:49:25

You have something right now in your hands God has given you that

Gail Root: 00:49:28

you can share the world or your world or people in your world.

Gail Root: 00:49:34

And I'm sitting there going, Uhuh, no, I don't.

Gail Root: 00:49:38

Just that again, that resistance that came up, but as the conversation kept going

Gail Root: 00:49:42

on, I knew it was these six steps, but the thought of sharing them was, who am I?

Gail Root: 00:49:50

Who am I?

Gail Root: 00:49:52

Just, So I reached out to a hundred women now back, so I've got my direct sales

Gail Root: 00:49:56

and network marketing background, right?

Gail Root: 00:49:58

And so I knew how to reach out to people.

Gail Root: 00:49:59

So I said, Hey, listen.

Gail Root: 00:50:01

God has given me something.

Gail Root: 00:50:03

I've been practicing it in the mornings.

Gail Root: 00:50:04

It's a spiritual tool.

Gail Root: 00:50:05

It's grown in my intimacy with the Lord.

Gail Root: 00:50:07

I'm going to be sharing it.

Gail Root: 00:50:09

I'm gonna do a little weekly challenge on Zoom for a week.

Gail Root: 00:50:12

And if you're interested, here's a link.

Gail Root: 00:50:15

and so that, so I started running Challenges on the Master Your Morning,

Gail Root: 00:50:19

and I did that for a couple years.

Gail Root: 00:50:21

And then through that people would say, Gail, you need to put this in a book.

Gail Root: 00:50:24

And I was like, ah, ha.

Gail Root: 00:50:25

yeah.

Gail Root: 00:50:27

and so I knew though, probably after a couple years that the Lord

Gail Root: 00:50:31

was calling me to put it in a book and, avoided and put it off again.

Gail Root: 00:50:35

All those old voices of perfectionism or what are people gonna say or what

Gail Root: 00:50:41

are people, and it's and I just had to, Gail, are you gonna lay it all

Gail Root: 00:50:44

down and do what I've asked you to do?

Gail Root: 00:50:47

So I literally, right before Christmas, it was almost a year ago, I rented

Gail Root: 00:50:51

this little cabin in the woods.

Gail Root: 00:50:53

It was like $45 at a, at a.

Gail Root: 00:50:56

Catholic, on a big Catholic property here in town where I live, they have

Gail Root: 00:51:00

these little cabins you can rent for the weekend, like $15 a day.

Gail Root: 00:51:05

And, I grabbed my computer, carted it through the woods, set

Gail Root: 00:51:10

it up, and just wrote for, 10 hours a day until it was done.

Gail Root: 00:51:14

Really.

Gail Root: 00:51:16

and I had help, I had to help with editing and all of that, but, but

Gail Root: 00:51:19

yeah, but it was not, it was a kicking and screaming a little bit inside,

Gail Root: 00:51:24

having to work through some of those fears that wanted to creep back up.

Tim Winders: 00:51:30

And, obviously phenomenal results that come from it.

Tim Winders: 00:51:33

We have a few minutes here.

Tim Winders: 00:51:36

I Is it possible, and if you can't do this, that's fine.

Tim Winders: 00:51:39

Is it possible for you to hit each of the six steps real quickly and then

Tim Winders: 00:51:44

you could just kind of go into where people can find the book and all of that

Tim Winders: 00:51:47

and then we'll, we will wrap up here.

Tim Winders: 00:51:49

Just, I've got it pulled up here on my Kindle, but just I, quickly, if you

Tim Winders: 00:51:53

do it every morning, I can guarantee you could probably, maybe just what

Tim Winders: 00:51:57

it is, quick sentence and then, and then where people can find the book.

Gail Root: 00:52:01

Absolutely.

Gail Root: 00:52:02

So the first step is surrender.

Gail Root: 00:52:03

it's being quiet, listening to the Lord.

Gail Root: 00:52:06

not praying, not, everything's a prayer, but, just listening.

Gail Root: 00:52:09

Listening.

Gail Root: 00:52:10

And I, what I'll do during this is I'll say, I hear you, Lord.

Gail Root: 00:52:15

I hear you Lord.

Gail Root: 00:52:15

And it's just that declarative statement that I am confirming you

Gail Root: 00:52:20

are who you say you are, which say you wanna speak to your people.

Gail Root: 00:52:23

And I am here listening.

Gail Root: 00:52:24

I may not hear you right in this moment, but I will hear you today through

Gail Root: 00:52:28

someone else, through something else.

Gail Root: 00:52:30

You'll, you are speaking to me.

Gail Root: 00:52:33

step two is scripture going to his word.

Gail Root: 00:52:36

Sometimes I'm literally, almost, I could fall off my chair sometimes at a location

Gail Root: 00:52:40

in scripture that he takes me to that sometimes it doesn't seem relevant at all.

Gail Root: 00:52:44

And then later in the day or later something will happen

Gail Root: 00:52:47

or, it will be for someone.

Gail Root: 00:52:51

That sometimes is really wonderful.

Gail Root: 00:52:52

Or it'll take me somewhere.

Gail Root: 00:52:54

And it literally, I had an Acts 22, 2 was an example one day that just blew my mind.

Gail Root: 00:52:59

It was something in my coaching program I was struggling with, trying

Gail Root: 00:53:02

to find a biblical principle around.

Gail Root: 00:53:04

And boom, it is like he dropped it in my lap.

Gail Root: 00:53:07

So scriptures number two.

Gail Root: 00:53:08

Number three is vision, but it's God's vision.

Gail Root: 00:53:12

What is God's being able to say, okay, God, I'm struggling in my marriage today.

Gail Root: 00:53:17

Show me as the wife that you see me as Lord, through your eyes.

Gail Root: 00:53:24

Show me what I look like.

Gail Root: 00:53:26

Forgiving, loving, encouraging, affirming my husband, not who I want,

Gail Root: 00:53:30

who I'm right, but who you see me as.

Gail Root: 00:53:34

And it is, it's powerful to ask the Lord that question in any

Gail Root: 00:53:37

area of your life, in my health.

Gail Root: 00:53:40

on and on, step four.

Gail Root: 00:53:43

Is reading.

Gail Root: 00:53:44

And this is just a step of humility to say, I think sometimes I think I

Gail Root: 00:53:47

know everything and I clearly don't.

Gail Root: 00:53:49

So it might be in my fi, I might be struggling in my finances, I

Gail Root: 00:53:53

might be struggling in my health.

Gail Root: 00:53:54

I might.

Gail Root: 00:53:54

So I grab a book and I just spend, 15 minutes, 10 minutes reading um, just,

Gail Root: 00:54:02

and I get just a nugget of what I need.

Gail Root: 00:54:04

Step five is journaling.

Gail Root: 00:54:05

This is an opportunity to go deeper with the Lord.

Gail Root: 00:54:08

Lord.

Gail Root: 00:54:09

why am I feeling resistant about this today?

Gail Root: 00:54:11

Why am I feeling afraid about this today?

Gail Root: 00:54:13

or, Lord, I'm feeling so incredibly grateful today.

Gail Root: 00:54:16

I'm just praising you today for, but whatever it is, it's that opportunity to

Gail Root: 00:54:20

go deeper with that pen in hand and that deeper relationship asking questions.

Gail Root: 00:54:26

and then the last step is the calendar.

Gail Root: 00:54:29

And it's looking at the calendar from a kingdom perspective and saying.

Gail Root: 00:54:34

I don't care about all my lists, Lord, all my check marks.

Gail Root: 00:54:37

I wanna know what you want me to do today.

Gail Root: 00:54:41

What is most important from your, and sometimes it'll be I'll get something.

Gail Root: 00:54:46

It might be for my son, it might be for a client, it might be for my husband.

Gail Root: 00:54:50

And I never would've, it wouldn't, it was nowhere on my radar to do or

Gail Root: 00:54:56

think, And it's just something like, clearly, Lord, this is from you and I

Gail Root: 00:54:59

will be obedient and I will do that.

Gail Root: 00:55:02

So those are the six steps.

Tim Winders: 00:55:04

Excellent.

Tim Winders: 00:55:04

So where can people find the book and or connect with you?

Tim Winders: 00:55:08

Go ahead and give us all of that information here.

Tim Winders: 00:55:11

I've got one more question for you before we wrap up.

Gail Root: 00:55:14

Alright, good.

Gail Root: 00:55:15

Amazon, it's master your morning and change everything.

Gail Root: 00:55:17

it's a bunch of, as Tim already said, it's a bunch of testimonials.

Gail Root: 00:55:21

and that's a whole story around that.

Gail Root: 00:55:23

But, it's a very how to.

Gail Root: 00:55:25

and growing your intimacy with the Lord.

Gail Root: 00:55:27

gail root.com.

Gail Root: 00:55:28

I'm G-A-I-L-R-O-O-T, gail root.com.

Gail Root: 00:55:32

I'm 56, so I'm a facebooker.

Gail Root: 00:55:34

most of my clients are in the second half of life, and so you

Gail Root: 00:55:37

can find me on Facebook and, podcast Kingdom Dream Chasers.

Gail Root: 00:55:42

yeah.

Gail Root: 00:55:43

But if you go to gail root.com, you'll find I think pretty

Gail Root: 00:55:46

much all of those things.

Tim Winders: 00:55:47

I was on the road last week and I powered through

Tim Winders: 00:55:49

about four or five episodes.

Tim Winders: 00:55:50

Great podcast.

Tim Winders: 00:55:51

I enjoyed listening to it, even though I may not be your

Tim Winders: 00:55:54

target, but, but I enjoyed it.

Tim Winders: 00:55:56

It's a great resource.

Tim Winders: 00:55:58

I, I like the fact that there's some real short, digestible

Tim Winders: 00:56:01

topics and episodes and all that.

Tim Winders: 00:56:04

Tim said that as he's at the one hour mark of this interview that we're at on our

Tim Winders: 00:56:08

podcast, . So anyway, Gail, we are seek, go create those three words right there.

Tim Winders: 00:56:14

I'm gonna let you choose one of those that resonates, means more to

Tim Winders: 00:56:18

you than the other two right now.

Tim Winders: 00:56:19

And why?

Tim Winders: 00:56:20

It's my final question.

Gail Root: 00:56:22

I could make a case for all three of 'em, Tim, and I love the name.

Gail Root: 00:56:25

but it has to be seek.

Gail Root: 00:56:27

it has to be seek.

Gail Root: 00:56:28

That has been the heart of, and it's really, I think I've always been a seeker.

Gail Root: 00:56:33

but not seeking him first, not making him first over everything.

Gail Root: 00:56:39

My day, my life, my marriage, my business.

Gail Root: 00:56:42

so seeking him first.

Tim Winders: 00:56:44

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:56:44

That's

Tim Winders: 00:56:46

And you probably know you referenced Matthew 6 33 earlier

Tim Winders: 00:56:49

that was the root of that.

Tim Winders: 00:56:51

That is the, first mention of the Kingdom of God in the New Testament.

Tim Winders: 00:56:54

In fact, if you go through all the scriptures and so powerful there.

Tim Winders: 00:56:59

Gail, thank you for the conversation.

Tim Winders: 00:57:00

I love . Having these conversations just to expand my mind, but also

Tim Winders: 00:57:06

to check myself and allow the listener to just check in on things.

Tim Winders: 00:57:10

So the book is Master Your Morning and Change Everything.

Tim Winders: 00:57:14

I think that's the tagline to it.

Tim Winders: 00:57:16

Go check that out.

Tim Winders: 00:57:16

Go check out the podcast too.

Tim Winders: 00:57:18

I think it's a good compliment if you've been listening in here.

Tim Winders: 00:57:21

There's a lot of great principles and all there.

Tim Winders: 00:57:23

So we have new episodes here every Monday at Seek Go Create.

Tim Winders: 00:57:29

Until next time, continue being all that you were created to be.