Strategic Giving and Lasting Legacies: Barron Damon's Philanthropic Insights

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philanthropy is really the love of mankind in the simplest form.

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when you think about the world we live in, that word love, is something

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that you just don't hear very often.

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But philanthropy at the root, philo meaning love, is the love of mankind.

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What does it mean to truly live your legacy through strategic giving?

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Today on Seek Go Create, we welcome Baron Damon, a seasoned philanthropic coach and

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nonprofit executive with over 20 years of experience as the managing partner of the

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Business of Life Coaching and Consulting.

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Baron has dedicated his career to teaching individuals and organizations how to align

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their giving with their deepest values.

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From creating an award winning giving circle to founding the BK Damon

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Foundation alongside his wife, Dr.

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Katrina Damon, Barron's work exemplifies a commitment to making

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a tangible difference in communities while fostering lasting legacies.

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Barron, welcome to SeatGoCreate.

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Thank you, Tim, for having me.

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I'm so excited about being here and have an opportunity to talk to you.

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I'm just excited about the conversation.

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I am too.

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It's going to be a great conversation.

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You and I, I think we're going to connect very well on a lot of the

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topics and some that you may not even be aware of yet, just from me doing

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some research and studying on you, Barron, but, but let's start this way.

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If, if you're out and about, I don't know, Church business, or just in

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the community and someone bumps into you and they ask you what you do.

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What do you typically tell people when they ask what you do?

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I tell them I help, people create a strategy for

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their philanthropic giving that aligns with their deepest values.

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In other words, I help people give money away.

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And when you say that, when you say that, what

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kind of response do you get?

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I guess a lot of people probably say, I don't have any to give.

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What are you talking about?

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People are stunned actually.

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And they say, I've never heard of that before.

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You know, tell me more.

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so at least they're intrigued enough to want to ask additional

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questions because it's not something that you hear about every day.

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So one thing I'm curious about just right at the beginning here,

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you mentioned that you bring that up if someone asks you what you do and, and, and

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I'm sure that you, you probably have the EQ to know whether you should go into that

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in certain environments and when not to.

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I mean, sometimes you probably say I'm a, I'm a husband, I'm a

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dad and other things like that.

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But what kind of, you mentioned the response, and I think this is going to

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lead into a lot of the conversation.

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How many people.

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Have ever even thought about that topic that you bring up?

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I mean, I'm sure you get quizzical looks.

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You probably get, huh?

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And then sometimes you get, I've been meaning to talk to someone like you.

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I'm guessing

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that's rare that you get that.

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Correct?

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It is rare, but.

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I find it's starting to happen more often.

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and, and usually people are inquisitive.

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People know about nonprofits and they know about donating money.

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but they don't have a strategic plan around it because most time, and I have

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a podcast and when people come on the podcast, I say to them, can you tell me?

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Or declare that I am a philanthropist.

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And they're like, they have this moment where they don't know or sure.

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Now you can look and see what they've done.

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I mean, they're, they're philanthropists, right?

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But they don't have the confidence or they have a misconception

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of what philanthropy is.

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And then they will say, I am a philanthropist.

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And it's one of the most powerful moments, on the show.

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And I always get these chill bumps.

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Cause I'm like, wow, they got it.

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And then they feel empowered.

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The shoulders is up straight.

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They're like, I am a philanthropist.

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This is what I do.

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I help and support people and I make a difference in people's lives.

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Sure.

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so do this for me real quick, and then I'm going to veer a few directions.

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And then we're going to come back to this, this big topic.

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Define philanthropists.

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For, for someone listening in, it's a mighty big word and I joked

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with you before we hit record, you know, I'm from, I'm, I'm from, you know, little

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town in Georgia, outside of Atlanta.

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And I like to joke, I don't, I don't know a lot of big words and things like

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that, but philanthropists, somebody asked you, so what is a philanthropist?

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What do you tell them?

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Yeah, I tell them, and I try to demystify the word for

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people because I, people do kind of mispronounce it or struggle with it.

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And I say, philanthropy is really the love of mankind in the simplest form.

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And you know, when you think about the world we live in, that

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word love, is something that you just don't hear very often.

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It's a lot of bickering.

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It's a lot of dissension.

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But philanthropy at the root, philo meaning love, is the love of mankind.

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And that's simply what it is.

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And there should be actions that back up that love.

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You know, you brought up that word love.

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I do think the word is, Thrown around a good bit in our society and culture.

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I'm just not sure it's thrown around.

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Well, I mean, people love pizza.

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They love their wife.

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They love, you know, their, their favorite TV show.

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And I think it may not, my word is may have been watered down.

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Yeah.

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A little bit.

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So speaking of love, this is something I think right before we hit record,

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I shared with you, you've, you've written a book that's available.

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That's called Monday morning man.

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And, and I know we want to talk about legacy, but to me, this is

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a great foundation for legacy.

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And.

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And I, I didn't read the book.

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I don't think in the way you designed it, it's designed as 52 weekly

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devotions and things like that.

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But I want to say this and then I'm going to let you respond and just talk about it.

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And I think we can build on the conversation.

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As I was reading through it, and it kind of drew me in because I started

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it early this morning when I was just in my quiet time, and I knew that I

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was preparing for this conversation.

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I started reading it and I just kind of kept going and going and going.

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And here's the reason why.

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To me, it was part journal, As a, as a father and a, and a follower

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of Christ and things like that.

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And, and it is rare that you get a glimpse inside someone's journal.

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And I thought that was kind of cool, especially if you're about

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to have an you know, an hour long conversation with someone.

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It's really valuable.

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Right.

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And then, and then I also thought.

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It was, it was really part of a devotion.

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It had devotional aspects to it, which I like.

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But what I really said as, as the father of grown children, I

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have two grown children myself.

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I really felt like it was just a love letter to your children.

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That's really what.

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It seemed like to me, and I see you nodding for those listening.

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He's been nodding.

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so so did, did I capture all that?

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Well, is that, was that the intent or what was the story behind it?

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I know I read the, you know, the beginning of it, but, you know, tell

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me a little bit more about that.

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Yeah.

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Did we talk about this already?

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Tim, you know, based on what you said, we had to talk about it already, right?

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this was all of those things, right?

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It's a devotional.

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And how it started, I would say kind of mid pandemic, My daughter

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was in college at Virginia Tech and my son was, you know, really kind

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of struggling during the pandemic.

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And I had just finished writing a 40 day devotional and that was a

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lot, you know, to, to the family.

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And I, I wanted to continue to do something, but not at that pace.

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Right.

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Every day.

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And so I said, you know what?

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On Mondays, I would start writing.

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And it was really kind of an extension of that 40 day, but it was a little more

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intimate into my own kind of personal life in the lives that we have as a family.

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And I started sending them on Mondays, you know, and, and the, the.

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My kids and my wife was like, Oh, this is great, honey.

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You know, pat you on the back.

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That's wonderful.

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You know, and it just kind of kept on going.

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I had no idea or no design to, to write these for 52 weeks or more.

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It was just part of the plan.

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I just wanted to be able to communicate to my family in a way that was God centered.

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And also for them to learn some lessons along the way, as I was also learning

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my own lessons and processing what God was dealing with me about, right?

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and my family is an extension of me, me being the leader in my family.

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And as I started writing, probably a few months into it, my wife says to me, she

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said, Honey, you should name it Manna.

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Monday morning manna because it feels like God is speaking to

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you through this, this process.

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And so we started calling Monday Morning Manor.

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and it was good because the kids would respond in certain ways.

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My son didn't hardly respond.

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You know, my daughter would say fire emojis and it was great.

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And I really got something from this and I was really excited about that.

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And I'm like, son, how was it?

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it was okay.

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Yeah.

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You know, he said, I'm getting it dad.

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I'm getting it.

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and then about halfway through, I say, I'm going to stop this.

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And then the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, this is not about you.

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This is not about you.

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And I heard that very distinctly and I kept on writing and I didn't

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know that this would be a book, probably November of last year.

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it just kind of came to me.

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I believe God just, Urged me and prompt me to do it.

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And I reached out to a friend who was an editor and we

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started having a conversation.

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She said, when do you want it by?

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I said, by Christmas, I want to give it to my family as a legacy gift.

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And I would put their names on it as authors.

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And she was like, that's very ambitious, but we were able to pull it off.

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and I surprised them Tim, the day before Christmas, cause we always exchanged

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gifts and I had it in this black box and it had legacy box on it and they

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opened it up and they were just amazed.

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I mean, and my daughter said, dad, why did you put our name on this?

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And I said, because we're a family and we did it together.

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even though I was the one doing the writing and through that whole

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process, I mean, God taught me so many.

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Lessons personally, place at times when I just needed to grow and develop

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or, you know, maybe there's some fears or apprehensions that I have in

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terms of moving forward in business or some of the struggles my Children

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were having in individual places.

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And we addressed all of it.

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and it was a love letter, so to speak, right?

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to them.

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And you can, you can hear it.

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In the language.

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I love you at the end, or, feel like Paul, you know, in the Bible, beloved,

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you know, something like that, but it turned it out to be a great opportunity

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for me to share with people about legacy.

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And then Tim, something amazing happened.

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I sent the book out to just friends and family and they read it.

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They started reading it and they started sending it to other people.

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And.

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And I was like, wow, I mean, texting me in the middle of the night or

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early in the morning or getting emails saying this really helped me this.

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It blessed me.

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I'm like, wow, this is amazing.

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And so God can take this little.

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Thing right that you desire to just be a blessing to your

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family and amplify it for others.

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And I find that fascinating that God can take a little thing and magnify it

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into something much more than we expect.

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Yes.

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And it had really nourishing spiritual and, you know, devotional things.

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But let me tell you the big thing that I got from it, because.

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As a father, my wife and I, Gloria and I have talked often about how

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we thought that when our children became more grown adults, that

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we would be a little bit freer.

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It would be, you know, all of these things and our, our children are doing great.

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You know what I mean?

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It's not like, it's not like we've got.

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Issues or anything like that.

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However, as I was reading through and I knew it was weekly, I

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knew you wrote this every week.

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I experienced through you the ups and downs of your children, because I

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know you were experiencing the emotion of doing well this week.

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Yeah.

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Gone through a challenge and I, and I think where I'm at, I'm,

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I'm probably around Thanksgiving.

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I mean, you know, we've been through your son's gone through some moves

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and changes and I could tell, I know that he's attempting to find his

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place in the world during this year.

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Your daughter, you know, she moved and she's working.

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I mean, And, and the reason I think that's, I think it goes into this

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legacy conversation, because as fathers, I think there's sometimes this

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perception of being disconnected and you know, we're out doing our own thing.

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I lived your children's life through you in reading that.

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And I could tell that your mood.

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Now, my wife and I've tried to determine if this is a good thing or a bad

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thing, but it went up and down based on what your children were experiencing.

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Is that correct?

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Yeah, because it was, it was to them and also my wife because we, we

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went through some, some challenges, you know, quite a few during that time, but

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it was, it was all of them and, and me included that needed to be, encouraged.

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You know, and support it.

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And even though we were, you know, at one point you mentioned my son, Joshua,

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he was in San Diego, and now in Hawaii, you know, and my daughter was in DC

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and, and we were just, and we were so close as a family, we were used to being

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together and it was the distance itself.

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That was a challenge for us and not being able to communicate and talk.

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But yeah, it was all of that.

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It was.

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the ups and downs in them, you know, because I don't know how old your children

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are, but they're becoming young adults and it doesn't, you know, every phase is

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great and different, but I'm a coach now, I'm not just dad, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm

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trying to coach them up and you can hear even some of that in the book, there was

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some, obviously some spiritual lessons, but there was some life lessons too.

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Like, as a father, let me talk to you about your situation and your

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issue, and hopefully you can handle it

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this

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Yeah.

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And I think the compassion that I saw was that, You, and I'm sure

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you and your wife, were, were going through what they were going through.

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And I, I, I think that is a reflection of our relationship with our Heavenly Father.

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I feel very confident that He is going through what we are.

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And sometimes we feel isolated.

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And if that's not the case, we know it's the case.

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Interesting.

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Our son's name is Joshua also.

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And

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Oh, wow.

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a few years older.

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Our son is, he just turned 30 and our daughter's 33.

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We're grandparents.

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So let me

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just, if you haven't experienced this, the best thing is when all of a

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sudden the grandkids start showing up.

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That's when things get really,

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That's what they tell

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really cool.

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So, so Baron, another thing, because the, the theme of this is legacy.

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My father passed away a little over a year and a half ago, with dementia and

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cognitive issues and things like that.

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And, and one of the things that I hungered for was to find

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something that he had written.

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And, he, he was a, an educator.

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He had a successful career.

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He communicated, he was a soft spoken communicator.

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My mother used up about 98 percent of the words in the household,

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if you know what I mean by that.

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And, he had very few words.

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And, and I, and I found at the age I was, I was just looking and I

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couldn't find anything he had written.

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And so to me, what you've done with this is you've really established what could

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be some of the most powerful legacy items.

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Listen, I know we're going to talk about finances and money and all of that.

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To me, those things, and we've got good examples of this sometimes

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become some of the least That we should discuss as far as legacy.

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So did you have legacy in mind with the book?

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I think you mentioned that earlier.

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so you did want to

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leave something with this book also, right?

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It was a legacy gift, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was a legacy gift.

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I some months back, I started, as a philanthropic coach, I started looking

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at generational wealth and specifically the Rockefellers and my daughter, she was

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working at the museum, the White House Museum, as an event kind of coordinator

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while she was still in college.

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And She sends us a, because we also have an event business.

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So she sends us a table with the Rockefeller's name on it.

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They were at that museum having the event and it just struck me.

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I said, Hmm, Rockefeller was, that was over a hundred years ago.

Barron Damon: 00:19:10

Right.

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And here, my daughter at 23 years old.

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name Rockefeller.

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You know, I was fascinated by that.

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So I started doing some research and found out that there are

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seven generations strong.

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and that's very unusual for even wealthy families.

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They normally go for three generations.

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And, so I was thinking about that and what could I do if I don't

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have billions and Or millions that I can still leave this legacy.

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And we have some legacy pieces, but I thought this book

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would be one of those things.

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If Amazon went out of business.

Barron Damon: 00:19:52

You still have your copy, right?

Barron Damon: 00:19:55

and the grandchildren could read it.

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They can read it to their Children and then their Children, right?

Barron Damon: 00:20:04

I figure I can get at least three generations out of the book.

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but that was the best part of it for me was for me to be able to say Look, you're

Barron Damon: 00:20:16

going to get it to an inheritance, right?

Barron Damon: 00:20:19

We're that's why that's wise to be able to do that.

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and you're, you know, whether it's some material or some financial,

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you'll get that, but if I can give you something that will last.

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help your soul for years to come.

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That's what, that's what we want to do.

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And I think we, we were able to do that because Tim, guess

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what's happening right now.

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in January I told my family, I'm a step back and I want you guys to take the lead.

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And so now everybody is writing on Monday.

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We just pick a Monday to write.

Tim Winders: 00:20:56

Very good.

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So they're participating and really, so what you're doing, this is legacy

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stuff too, is that not only are you creating and, you know, doing something

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that can be seen, words on paper.

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Can be seen for generations.

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And, and, and I was reading something recently about the, the Dead Sea Scrolls,

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and I'm just thinking to myself, wow, the the legacy of something that has been

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written for thousands of

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years.

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And, and now what you're doing is you're teaching.

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That's really the, you know, preparing the next generation as

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you're preparing them for that.

Tim Winders: 00:21:34

That's good.

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You know, it reminds me of, we, gosh, it's been a couple of years now.

Tim Winders: 00:21:37

We interviewed Mitzi Perdue here, and she was from two

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pretty strong legacy families.

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She married

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into the Perdue family.

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And then

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she had a, her family that she was a part of was a hotel family

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for three, four generations.

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There was

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one thing that they did.

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I asked her a good bit.

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We had a little bit of a conversation about this and

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I know you'll appreciate it.

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She said that one of the things that they require or ask, or I don't know

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exactly how they do it, was when people reach 60 years old in their

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family, they write their autobiography.

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And they've got,

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if it's not published, that's fine, but they have a library

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in their family, you know,

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library where they put it there.

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And I think that is so powerful.

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And, and it seems as if you're, you're, you're training for that.

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anyway, that's, that's, that's good.

Barron Damon: 00:22:33

Let

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so let's talk though.

Barron Damon: 00:22:35

me get you before we transition.

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when my son was 13 years old.

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So when I first became a Christian, I wrote all these scriptures down,

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you know, you're just trying to digest the word and all of that.

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And I had probably a hundred scriptures.

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And when he turned 13, I laminated those scriptures.

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I mean, this was 1992, the scriptures, right?

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And they tattered and all of that, but I laminated them.

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And on his birthday, we had a birthday party for him.

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And I gave him those scriptures, those same ones that I used when I

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first became a Christian, and that was, you know, pretty powerful.

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He didn't really.

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Understand it at first.

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But as he grew in his faith, he began to understand how important that was.

Tim Winders: 00:23:24

I think it's interesting.

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You brought this up earlier that you weren't sure, especially with your

Tim Winders: 00:23:28

son, that he was grasping, even when you were sending out your Monday

Tim Winders: 00:23:32

morning items and, and the way I think about things like that, I wonder if

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there are times that with my heavenly father, I've done similar, where

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he's poured something out to me and I've almost, I haven't ignored it.

Tim Winders: 00:23:48

It's, it's, it's been

Barron Damon: 00:23:50

Yeah,

Tim Winders: 00:23:50

taken root, but I haven't acknowledged it.

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There's so much value

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to acknowledging that, right?

Tim Winders: 00:23:57

Doesn't it make you feel so good?

Barron Damon: 00:24:00

exactly.

Barron Damon: 00:24:00

Exactly.

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we're not, we're not at the take action stage yet, right?

Tim Winders: 00:24:06

All right.

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so that word legacy to me is so rich.

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It has so much to it.

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And yes, there's a financial component.

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But one of the things I love Baron that we've done here in this portion

Tim Winders: 00:24:18

of the conversation is we've talked about the family portion of it.

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We've talked about obviously writing and passing along things, but to me,

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especially the scriptures that say you should leave an inheritance, not just

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for your children, but your children's children, if we leave them all of these

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assets, I'll call them these we'll call them even worldly assets, We know

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that those treasures may or may not last forever.

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But to me, the legacy is the relationship with earthly father,

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like you've talked about, and then heavenly father speak briefly

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about that before we kind of go down into the financial component of the giving and

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all that, just speak about the importance of that foundation, because many people.

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And we've seen it.

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We've got examples of this in our culture that they've been

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left a nice big inheritance,

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but yet they don't have the soul, the healthy soul to handle it.

Tim Winders: 00:25:19

Talk some about that.

Barron Damon: 00:25:22

yeah.

Barron Damon: 00:25:23

You know, I grew up in a Christian home, even though I was probably, probably

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Far away from that as you can be.

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My father was a pastor for 15 years.

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and I had no desire whatsoever to be a Christian.

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I thought it was good for them, but I was on a different level, right?

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So called I was, you know, educated and, and, and clever

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and I can do this and do that.

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And of course, I realized.

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Real quickly that, that wasn't the plan God had for me.

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Right.

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I mean, I was a person who really had to hit rock bottom.

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I really, I really did because I was so self sufficient, in who I was and

Barron Damon: 00:26:09

who I thought I was, And even though, I mean, when I went to college, Tim,

Barron Damon: 00:26:14

I probably couldn't quote you two scriptures and I stayed in church.

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I mean, you know, on Sundays and Wednesdays and all the other days.

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Right.

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but the foundation was set.

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And I saw my grandparents, as well were in the faith.

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And so it was important for us, my, my wife and I, and her parents, you know,

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like my parents at the time, been married for 40, you know, 50 years and, love

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God and had a standard of living, you know, a standard of holiness, not just.

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Name recognition.

Barron Damon: 00:26:54

Oh, I'm a Christian.

Barron Damon: 00:26:55

Yeah, but serious about a relationship with God and that's something that was

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really important to me that I wanted to make sure I pass it down to, to my

Barron Damon: 00:27:06

children and not just to say, cause at one point, you know, I think the

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statistic was 78 percent of the people identified as being a Christian.

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I don't know what that number is now, but that's very different

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from having a relationship.

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And I wanted to stress to them that it was so important for you to have a

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relationship with your heavenly father.

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And if you got that, and I can show you example of what that could look like from

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the natural perspective, you would be, you'd be healthy, be happy, and holy.

Tim Winders: 00:27:42

So one thing, interesting, I didn't know you were a preacher's kid.

Tim Winders: 00:27:45

This is,

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It causes me to, causes me to ask a couple more questions here.

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Sometimes I'm always amazed, there's typical preacher's

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kids do one of two things.

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They, they totally rebel and go the opposite direction.

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And it sounds

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like you were skirting that a little bit.

Tim Winders: 00:28:04

Maybe you, I think sometimes you see too much.

Tim Winders: 00:28:06

You see too much of behind the scenes and all that's going on.

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And then.

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There's other folks that they, I don't know if they want to try to prove

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something or something like that.

Tim Winders: 00:28:17

Sometimes that may be more with, with with females, but, but it, it

Tim Winders: 00:28:23

always perplexes me, see, I didn't grow up around church at all.

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We,

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we, we popped in from time to time.

Tim Winders: 00:28:30

I didn't, I didn't, you know, the Lord reeled me in through a beautiful

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young lady named Glory that I.

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Was smitten with and then got married.

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And, you know, that's when I had my literal come to Jesus moment.

Tim Winders: 00:28:45

And but with you, you were around it, you were exposed.

Tim Winders: 00:28:49

Did you see too much?

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Was there too much of like, Ooh, I see how this church, these church people are.

Tim Winders: 00:28:54

And I don't know, or what was the story, man?

Tim Winders: 00:28:57

Why, why are you running?

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You mentioned self sufficient.

Tim Winders: 00:29:00

I get that.

Tim Winders: 00:29:01

I get that.

Barron Damon: 00:29:02

You know, you know, to me, the church that I was a part

Barron Damon: 00:29:05

of, it was a very strong biblical based church and, but it was boring.

Barron Damon: 00:29:13

I mean, boring.

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Right.

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And so here I am, you know, it's kind of very well known kind of star

Barron Damon: 00:29:22

athlete and just kind of doing my thing, you know, friends everywhere.

Barron Damon: 00:29:28

And then I will go to church.

Barron Damon: 00:29:30

And the young people there, they would see me on the news or some

Barron Damon: 00:29:35

highlights, sports highlight, and they want it seemed like my life, you know,

Barron Damon: 00:29:41

opposed to me wanting their life.

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And so I was like, well, I'll become a Christian.

Barron Damon: 00:29:46

They want to be like me.

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You know, so it was just no appeal during that time.

Barron Damon: 00:29:54

Now, if I was probably in another, another congregation where they had

Barron Damon: 00:29:58

youth ministry and it was active and live, that would probably have been

Barron Damon: 00:30:01

different, but that wasn't my story.

Barron Damon: 00:30:03

So I just didn't see what was appealing to me.

Tim Winders: 00:30:08

so the, oh man, I got to, I got to ask this, it's going

Tim Winders: 00:30:11

to, I don't think this will be an awkward conversation, but for those

Tim Winders: 00:30:14

listening in and they know me, I'm, I'm a white guy, Barron's African

Tim Winders: 00:30:18

American, and I have rarely heard people.

Tim Winders: 00:30:22

That have been around, primarily African American churches say that they're boring.

Tim Winders: 00:30:26

So you gotta, you gotta dispel some rumors or you gotta clarify

Tim Winders: 00:30:30

something for me because I went to a multicultural racial church for

Tim Winders: 00:30:34

the longest when I first got saved.

Tim Winders: 00:30:36

And part of what I loved was the music that came with the diversity.

Tim Winders: 00:30:44

Does that make sense?

Tim Winders: 00:30:45

Did I

Tim Winders: 00:30:45

say that well?

Barron Damon: 00:30:46

Oh, yeah.

Barron Damon: 00:30:46

Oh,

Tim Winders: 00:30:47

was boring.

Tim Winders: 00:30:48

Come on now, Baron, you're messing with me here.

Barron Damon: 00:30:52

Hey, I mean, there was there was many a days where my head was nodding.

Barron Damon: 00:30:57

You know, I was tired from a football game or basketball game or tracked me.

Barron Damon: 00:31:02

But, the music was hymns.

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You know, the Bible talks about spiritual hymns, right?

Barron Damon: 00:31:08

Hymns are great.

Barron Damon: 00:31:09

I, I still, sometimes when I'm being really reflective, those

Barron Damon: 00:31:14

hymns come back to my heart that I've learned during that time.

Barron Damon: 00:31:18

but the teaching was good, but it just wasn't, it just wasn't, and I'm not a.

Barron Damon: 00:31:27

theatrical person, right?

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You don't have to put your finger in your ear and hold your head

Barron Damon: 00:31:33

back and start screaming for me to feel the spirit, right?

Barron Damon: 00:31:37

But, it was just different.

Barron Damon: 00:31:38

Now, my experience quickly changed when I went to another church, denomination,

Barron Damon: 00:31:45

the Church of God in Christ, And there was nothing boring about that experience.

Barron Damon: 00:31:50

it was like, calisthenics, you know, during the worship

Tim Winders: 00:31:55

The, the Lord shows up when there's a bass and some

Tim Winders: 00:31:58

drums up on the stage, right?

Barron Damon: 00:32:00

Exactly.

Barron Damon: 00:32:01

Exactly.

Barron Damon: 00:32:02

So I, I had these very different experiences and I also went to an all

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white church, called good morning Jesus.

Barron Damon: 00:32:12

And we were the, it was hundreds of people in there.

Barron Damon: 00:32:14

We were the only black.

Barron Damon: 00:32:15

So, Yeah, I've had some diverse experiences, but now I actually attend

Barron Damon: 00:32:21

a multicultural, church and I absolutely love, we have Hispanic ministry and,

Barron Damon: 00:32:27

Asian ministry and, half white, half black Africans, you know, you, you name it, we

Barron Damon: 00:32:32

have it.

Barron Damon: 00:32:33

And I really enjoy that experience because it's not just the music I like.

Barron Damon: 00:32:39

It's music.

Barron Damon: 00:32:40

You know, that everybody can participate and enjoy.

Tim Winders: 00:32:43

Yeah, the cool thing, I think that's the way the kingdom of God looks.

Tim Winders: 00:32:46

And I like when I hear about situations like that, I was very similar.

Tim Winders: 00:32:50

I, I was just, I was a kid of the seventies and eighties and

Tim Winders: 00:32:54

I wanted to make me some money.

Tim Winders: 00:32:56

And I

Tim Winders: 00:32:57

just kept in church world.

Tim Winders: 00:32:59

I kept seeing just nothing that appealed to me or excited me.

Tim Winders: 00:33:03

I saw some, you know, man, be pambi preachers and stuff like that.

Tim Winders: 00:33:07

And so anyway, but obviously the Lord got our attention and we,

Tim Winders: 00:33:12

we stepped in and Things like

Tim Winders: 00:33:14

that.

Tim Winders: 00:33:14

Um, let's talk, let's move.

Tim Winders: 00:33:17

I think that's important part of the legacy though.

Tim Winders: 00:33:21

And, and so what's been, what's been some significant things along the

Tim Winders: 00:33:25

way, positive or negative, by the way, I think if I were to tell my

Tim Winders: 00:33:31

story, there's a few negative things.

Tim Winders: 00:33:33

I don't like to use the word failure negative that probably have drawn me

Tim Winders: 00:33:38

closer to thinking about these topics than anything else, and we don't shy

Tim Winders: 00:33:43

away from You know, the ugly stuff here, if you, if we have to go into that,

Tim Winders: 00:33:46

but Barron, what have been a couple of significant events along the way that

Tim Winders: 00:33:52

have led you to this place now where you call yourself a philanthropic coach?

Barron Damon: 00:33:58

Well, the main one was when I went to college, my second semester in

Barron Damon: 00:34:06

college, I was headed back to my dorm.

Barron Damon: 00:34:09

My cousin was visiting us and I was just leaving our campus party.

Barron Damon: 00:34:14

And I heard this, I heard some voices behind me.

Barron Damon: 00:34:18

A guy say specifically, That somebody is going for a swim tonight.

Barron Damon: 00:34:23

And I was walking by a reflection pond and I really didn't pay attention

Barron Damon: 00:34:27

because there was a few people outside.

Barron Damon: 00:34:28

Not a lot.

Barron Damon: 00:34:29

Next thing I know, Tim, a guy came from behind and hit me with this fist.

Barron Damon: 00:34:35

And I mean, if you've never been hit by somebody with your fist, I mean,

Barron Damon: 00:34:41

it hurts, but I was so shocked and stunned that it happened that I just

Barron Damon: 00:34:47

took off running, you know, and that was really defining moment in my life.

Barron Damon: 00:34:52

And I think that really epitomize you know, what I was doing,

Barron Damon: 00:34:59

running, you know, from God.

Barron Damon: 00:35:02

And I could, I mean, I ran because I was running a 45 in high school.

Barron Damon: 00:35:07

So I was moving, 10 100.

Barron Damon: 00:35:10

So I started running.

Barron Damon: 00:35:12

And just running in the guy came behind me because it was multiple people.

Barron Damon: 00:35:17

We found out later on that they were actually going on these

Barron Damon: 00:35:20

college campuses and they was just picking people out randomly.

Barron Damon: 00:35:25

I call them random acts of violence.

Barron Damon: 00:35:27

and we ended up getting to a tussle.

Barron Damon: 00:35:30

Police came and put us in the police car and said, what's going on, guys?

Barron Damon: 00:35:35

Of course.

Barron Damon: 00:35:36

You know, it's two African American males.

Barron Damon: 00:35:39

and the guy said he was talking about my mother.

Barron Damon: 00:35:42

And I said, I've never seen him before, you know, and it was just one of those

Barron Damon: 00:35:47

situations that escalated, but when I got out the police car and went back

Barron Damon: 00:35:53

to my dorm, I was embarrassed, you know, just ashamed of what happened.

Barron Damon: 00:36:00

I was hurt and I was discouraged.

Barron Damon: 00:36:04

Here I am on the college campus where I wanted to feel safe.

Barron Damon: 00:36:08

And he took that away from me.

Barron Damon: 00:36:09

He robbed me of that.

Barron Damon: 00:36:11

and I started having all kinds of emotional challenges as a result of that.

Barron Damon: 00:36:15

And then I ended up getting, I went, I went home for a couple of weeks

Barron Damon: 00:36:20

and came back, took the exams, did horrible, and ended up, you know,

Barron Damon: 00:36:25

failing that semester horrible, horribly.

Barron Damon: 00:36:28

And then, I was on academic scholarship.

Barron Damon: 00:36:31

And so I was put on probation and then eventually lost my scholarship.

Barron Damon: 00:36:35

And so my life just started unraveling.

Barron Damon: 00:36:37

You know, I mean, I can't now when I even think about it and I tell the story how

Barron Damon: 00:36:43

quickly it happened, you know, from this kind of celebrated person to somebody who

Barron Damon: 00:36:50

got kicked out of school, lost everything, friends and even tell my family members.

Barron Damon: 00:36:55

I didn't tell my, my, my, my parents because I was ashamed and didn't know.

Barron Damon: 00:37:00

I didn't want to put a burden of finances on them because,

Barron Damon: 00:37:03

you know, I was on scholarship.

Barron Damon: 00:37:04

and so it just went from bad to worse really quickly.

Barron Damon: 00:37:08

And, but it was that, that season of my life that God was in hot pursuit.

Barron Damon: 00:37:15

You know, the Bible says for whomever he loved, he chased

Barron Damon: 00:37:20

and it was a full, full sprint.

Barron Damon: 00:37:22

And I remember the night I accepted Christ as my personal savior.

Barron Damon: 00:37:26

I said, God, if you just leave me alone, I'll serve you.

Barron Damon: 00:37:30

You know, that's the optic word, right?

Tim Winders: 00:37:32

That

Tim Winders: 00:37:33

makes no

Barron Damon: 00:37:33

just leave me alone.

Barron Damon: 00:37:33

and that night in the loft of my sister's house, I accepted Christ

Barron Damon: 00:37:41

and my life changed in the instant.

Barron Damon: 00:37:45

and as a result during that time, I did a, internship at the Columbia urban league,

Barron Damon: 00:37:51

and it was a interesting, internship because it was stopped the violence.

Barron Damon: 00:37:56

God has an interesting sense of humor, right?

Barron Damon: 00:37:58

Here I am was assaulted by some young men, and now God puts me

Barron Damon: 00:38:03

in a place where I have to help.

Barron Damon: 00:38:06

help young people who are dealing with all kinds of issues.

Barron Damon: 00:38:10

And it was the longest summer of my life because all I wanted to do like

Barron Damon: 00:38:15

you, I just wanted to make some money.

Barron Damon: 00:38:17

I want to drive a nice car, have a corner office.

Barron Damon: 00:38:20

I can look over the city, you know, but that wasn't the plan.

Barron Damon: 00:38:23

And at the end of the summer, I was so glad Tim, I was like,

Barron Damon: 00:38:27

woof, I'm glad this is over.

Barron Damon: 00:38:29

and I said, those kids need some help.

Barron Damon: 00:38:30

I don't know who's going to help them.

Barron Damon: 00:38:31

And God said, Hmm, that would be you.

Barron Damon: 00:38:35

I was like, what are you talking about?

Barron Damon: 00:38:36

You know, like Willis back in the day, when you talk about God.

Tim Winders: 00:38:41

We just showed our age there.

Tim Winders: 00:38:42

Someone is going to go, what do

Barron Damon: 00:38:44

Yeah, I know.

Barron Damon: 00:38:44

Right.

Barron Damon: 00:38:45

I gave, I teed it up.

Barron Damon: 00:38:46

I teed it up.

Barron Damon: 00:38:48

but it was interesting because.

Barron Damon: 00:38:51

that was the moment where things shifted for me and I applied for one

Barron Damon: 00:38:58

job and I got a call from the CEO, executive director for Big Brothers,

Barron Damon: 00:39:05

Big Sisters, and she was a believer.

Barron Damon: 00:39:08

So God had this thing all kind of sorted out.

Barron Damon: 00:39:12

And she says to me, she said, Baron, I saw your resume and

Barron Damon: 00:39:17

if you, she said, opened it.

Barron Damon: 00:39:20

And it was 130 something applications or resumes.

Barron Damon: 00:39:23

And yours came opened up, you know, I saw yours and she said, the

Barron Damon: 00:39:28

Holy Spirit told me to call you.

Barron Damon: 00:39:30

And I was like, what?

Barron Damon: 00:39:32

You know, cause I'm just getting familiar with this whole notion of the Holy Spirit.

Barron Damon: 00:39:37

Right.

Barron Damon: 00:39:38

And so she calls me in, I go talk to her and she said, I don't know why

Barron Damon: 00:39:44

you, but you supposed to be here.

Barron Damon: 00:39:47

And that's the only job I applied for.

Barron Damon: 00:39:49

And I worked for big brothers, big sisters in South Carolina, North

Barron Damon: 00:39:53

Carolina for the next 20 years.

Barron Damon: 00:39:55

So that was my first kind of exposure to, giving back and God really taught

Barron Damon: 00:40:02

me empathy, which I did not have before.

Barron Damon: 00:40:05

I didn't care about anything but me.

Barron Damon: 00:40:07

And when I started seeing some of the challenges and issues that people

Barron Damon: 00:40:12

were having, I mean, real life issues.

Barron Damon: 00:40:15

I was like, whoa, this is some serious stuff.

Barron Damon: 00:40:20

And God just began to massage my heart and get me to a place

Barron Damon: 00:40:24

where I actually cared about other people and I wanted to help them.

Barron Damon: 00:40:30

And I got to a point where I started serving them, which was different, but

Barron Damon: 00:40:33

it was a, you know, a process for me.

Tim Winders: 00:40:36

One of the things that comes up often here when we talk

Tim Winders: 00:40:39

about this journey or leadership journey or whatever that people go on

Tim Winders: 00:40:43

Baron is we, we use this word.

Tim Winders: 00:40:47

I think it's thrown around a lot in our society and culture.

Tim Winders: 00:40:50

The word success, like we were talking about earlier, love,

Tim Winders: 00:40:53

you know, we're using some big

Tim Winders: 00:40:54

words here.

Tim Winders: 00:40:54

We've got philanthropy and legacy and all that.

Tim Winders: 00:40:57

Well, well, word success is something that we, it's fascinated me because

Tim Winders: 00:41:04

very similar to you, I think I was living for myself of the time.

Tim Winders: 00:41:11

And then when an event occurred for me, I don't think the Lord

Tim Winders: 00:41:14

brought it on, but I think he

Tim Winders: 00:41:16

used it to get

Tim Winders: 00:41:17

my attention.

Tim Winders: 00:41:18

It sounds like that's what happened with you.

Tim Winders: 00:41:20

So tell me, and it could be brief or, you know, we still have a few minutes.

Tim Winders: 00:41:24

How did you define success on?

Tim Winders: 00:41:31

And then if you could contrast it with how you define success now, as best

Tim Winders: 00:41:37

you can, you know, this could be a deeper question, but just contrast your

Tim Winders: 00:41:42

definitions of success over the last, you know, 20 years, you know, whatever,

Tim Winders: 00:41:46

go back and then compare it to today.

Barron Damon: 00:41:51

Success for, for me years ago was definitely money,

Barron Damon: 00:41:58

possessions and recognition.

Barron Damon: 00:42:02

You know, simple is that, my mother, passed away and before she passed

Barron Damon: 00:42:08

away, she, she struggled with, depression for a number of years.

Barron Damon: 00:42:12

God just healed her miraculously.

Barron Damon: 00:42:15

Her last several years, she was just at peace and happy.

Barron Damon: 00:42:19

as a matter of fact, I wrote her a poem called living free.

Barron Damon: 00:42:23

And as a result of that, I began to think about success very differently.

Barron Damon: 00:42:28

I was like, here, my mom is.

Barron Damon: 00:42:30

You know, she don't have a whole lot, but she was at peace and she was just as happy

Barron Damon: 00:42:36

and God had delivered her and healed her.

Barron Damon: 00:42:39

She was like a brand new person.

Barron Damon: 00:42:41

And I'm sitting here just kind of, you know, finished school by then

Barron Damon: 00:42:45

and went back to get my master's degree in trying to build businesses.

Barron Damon: 00:42:49

I'm like, I'm struggling.

Barron Damon: 00:42:50

I don't feel that same peace.

Barron Damon: 00:42:52

You know, and I started that process of redefining what success was for me.

Barron Damon: 00:42:57

And my son really helped me.

Barron Damon: 00:42:59

He was probably three years old and we were in the car one day.

Barron Damon: 00:43:03

And he said to me, we was out all day.

Barron Damon: 00:43:08

I mean, just literally all day going to parks and doing different stuff.

Barron Damon: 00:43:11

And we were going home.

Barron Damon: 00:43:12

He said, dad, what's next?

Barron Damon: 00:43:15

He said, what's next?

Barron Damon: 00:43:16

And I said, son, what are you talking about?

Barron Damon: 00:43:18

We've been gone all day.

Barron Damon: 00:43:19

We're going home.

Barron Damon: 00:43:20

He said, what's next?

Barron Damon: 00:43:21

And then God reminded me, he said, this is you.

Barron Damon: 00:43:24

This is your life.

Barron Damon: 00:43:26

You always talk about what's next.

Barron Damon: 00:43:28

You don't take time to appreciate the blessings, the

Barron Damon: 00:43:30

things I've helped you with.

Barron Damon: 00:43:31

I brought you through.

Barron Damon: 00:43:33

You just want to get to the next.

Barron Damon: 00:43:34

And I started Tim, that process of changing how I thought about success.

Barron Damon: 00:43:40

It wasn't about the next thing to conquer, but it was the focus on my family.

Barron Damon: 00:43:46

I say my relationship with God, my family and the community in which I serve.

Barron Damon: 00:43:51

And if I do those things.

Barron Damon: 00:43:54

I'm very successful.

Barron Damon: 00:43:55

I'm a very successful person, you know, because my family, they love me.

Barron Damon: 00:44:01

and they're happy and I served my community.

Barron Damon: 00:44:04

Well, I served my church well.

Barron Damon: 00:44:07

and and I served my clients well in business, and I think that's important.

Barron Damon: 00:44:11

So I feel like I am very successful.

Tim Winders: 00:44:15

I think that's good.

Tim Winders: 00:44:15

I we've interviewed, talked to a number of people where this comes up.

Tim Winders: 00:44:20

And what you

Tim Winders: 00:44:21

said, you said it in some different words, but it, it really is my story.

Tim Winders: 00:44:25

I think it's a lot of stories and and I've heard people say that they had

Tim Winders: 00:44:30

an addiction to more or someone worded

Tim Winders: 00:44:34

it, that they were actually addicted to tomorrow, which is what your

Tim Winders: 00:44:38

three year old son brought up to you.

Tim Winders: 00:44:39

It's like, You know, I remember our

Tim Winders: 00:44:41

daughter one time, we, you know, my wife and I are thinking we're at Disney world.

Tim Winders: 00:44:45

This is the greatest thing ever.

Tim Winders: 00:44:47

You know, they should be enjoying this.

Tim Winders: 00:44:49

And our daughter said something to the effect of where's our next vacation.

Barron Damon: 00:44:56

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:44:57

We're

Barron Damon: 00:44:57

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:44:58

Disney world here.

Tim Winders: 00:44:59

Come on,

Barron Damon: 00:45:01

I spent thousands of on this vacation.

Tim Winders: 00:45:04

let's enjoy the moment.

Tim Winders: 00:45:05

And, but you know what I think it's.

Tim Winders: 00:45:08

I think the enemy, I think that's the biggest thing that the enemy

Tim Winders: 00:45:12

does for people that are wired, that, that are wired like we are.

Tim Winders: 00:45:17

So let's shift a bit.

Tim Winders: 00:45:19

Let's move into this legacy conversation with what you're talking

Tim Winders: 00:45:22

about now that we've, I think we've laid a very good foundation for

Tim Winders: 00:45:27

talking about some of the practical things, because I think if people

Tim Winders: 00:45:31

don't get some of those items, this is

Tim Winders: 00:45:34

really just a spreadsheet type conversation.

Tim Winders: 00:45:36

And I don't think legacy is spreadsheet.

Tim Winders: 00:45:40

And I think I'm supposed to pause and let you respond to that.

Tim Winders: 00:45:42

So what would you like to say with that comment?

Tim Winders: 00:45:45

I just made that legacy isn't just about the spreadsheets.

Barron Damon: 00:45:50

Yeah.

Barron Damon: 00:45:50

Legacy.

Barron Damon: 00:45:51

I, when I first started talking about legacy, probably about two years

Barron Damon: 00:45:56

ago, I, when people hear the word legacy, they think about death, right?

Barron Damon: 00:46:04

They think about, like, what I need to do afterward or something.

Barron Damon: 00:46:10

And I remember, you know, having conversations with people and saying.

Barron Damon: 00:46:16

I want you to think about death, but just for a minute, because when

Barron Damon: 00:46:22

you think about death, hopefully it'll make you think about life.

Barron Damon: 00:46:28

And that's when we started having the conversation about live

Barron Damon: 00:46:32

your legacy, opposed to just.

Barron Damon: 00:46:35

you know, the legacy conversation and thinking about the afterward.

Barron Damon: 00:46:40

And so that live your legacy conversation that we have now is

Barron Damon: 00:46:44

what are you doing this moment today that will help you start, creating

Barron Damon: 00:46:52

the impact that you want to have.

Barron Damon: 00:46:56

And so when that dash, when you do get to the dash, right, and we all will get

Barron Damon: 00:47:00

to the dash, what do you want it to say?

Barron Damon: 00:47:03

And most of the time people are not thinking about it like that.

Barron Damon: 00:47:06

I was on a podcast with this young guy, business owner.

Barron Damon: 00:47:10

And when I met with him first, you know, you know, you had the pre conversation.

Barron Damon: 00:47:15

He said, Baron, it's all you want to talk about.

Barron Damon: 00:47:17

He said, that's all you got, you know, and I was like, kind of held back because it

Barron Damon: 00:47:21

was the first time I was doing a podcast, and, and during the conversation, after

Barron Damon: 00:47:27

the conversation, he was like, wow, he was like, I never thought about, he

Barron Damon: 00:47:31

said, I'm 27 years old, starting this company, and I never thought about it

Barron Damon: 00:47:35

from that perspective, and so we challenge even young people to think about how

Barron Damon: 00:47:39

you want to live your legacy right now.

Tim Winders: 00:47:42

The interesting thing about that is my wife and I, towards the tail

Tim Winders: 00:47:45

end of last year, we were recording this in, you know, I guess early or mid spring

Tim Winders: 00:47:50

ish of, of 2024 tail end of last year, we kept feeling the nudge that the Lord

Tim Winders: 00:47:57

wanted us to understand the word eternity.

Tim Winders: 00:48:01

More or better.

Tim Winders: 00:48:02

I don't think our human minds could ever grasp it on this side,

Tim Winders: 00:48:05

on this realm that we're in and,

Tim Winders: 00:48:08

and what you're talking about is thinking more, you know, not in the negative

Tim Winders: 00:48:14

way we were talking about earlier of kind of being addicted to tomorrow or

Tim Winders: 00:48:17

addicted to what's next, but, but thinking more long term, bigger picture, what's

Tim Winders: 00:48:22

beyond me and, and a lot of people.

Tim Winders: 00:48:27

We'll think this is money and financial.

Tim Winders: 00:48:33

And so why don't we for a few minutes here, go ahead and talk about

Tim Winders: 00:48:37

the money in the financial piece.

Tim Winders: 00:48:39

I know as a philanthropic, you know, coach and as you know, with, with giving

Tim Winders: 00:48:43

and all that, that money's part of it.

Tim Winders: 00:48:45

So let's go ahead and just lay that on the table, talk about

Tim Winders: 00:48:48

money and how it fits in with this.

Barron Damon: 00:48:51

Yeah.

Barron Damon: 00:48:52

And so money is, as you know, Tim, it's just a vehicle, right?

Barron Damon: 00:48:57

It's just a vehicle, a tool that we can, we can use, for a variety of things.

Barron Damon: 00:49:02

I choose to help people focus on, helping others with it.

Barron Damon: 00:49:07

Right.

Barron Damon: 00:49:07

And so we do work with financial advisors and we work with estate planners and

Barron Damon: 00:49:12

attorneys because, the bottom line is.

Barron Damon: 00:49:16

People want to pay less taxes, right?

Barron Damon: 00:49:20

Because Uncle Sam is going to get 40%.

Barron Damon: 00:49:23

and that's the bottom line, right?

Barron Damon: 00:49:25

And so I would rather show you help you prepare, and reduce those

Barron Damon: 00:49:31

taxes and feel good about it.

Barron Damon: 00:49:34

And a lot of times that's what financial advisors talk to me.

Barron Damon: 00:49:36

They said, you know, bear, I have this person who is, I

Barron Damon: 00:49:39

mean, making a lot of money.

Barron Damon: 00:49:40

They don't have time to do philanthropy stuff.

Barron Damon: 00:49:42

I was like, they need to make time, you know, because if not, they're just

Barron Damon: 00:49:47

giving that money away to Uncle Sam.

Barron Damon: 00:49:49

And I'm sure Sam loves to get it.

Barron Damon: 00:49:51

But there's some organizations out there, that could use it.

Barron Damon: 00:49:56

And so we help them, you know, we go behind the veil, so to speak, and we

Barron Damon: 00:50:01

help them create their philanthropic why.

Barron Damon: 00:50:03

Because that's part of the big challenge.

Barron Damon: 00:50:05

Right.

Barron Damon: 00:50:05

They don't know the issues that they care about.

Barron Damon: 00:50:10

Because I didn't care about no issues.

Barron Damon: 00:50:12

You know, you asked me 25 years ago or so.

Barron Damon: 00:50:16

I'm like, I don't know what I care about.

Barron Damon: 00:50:18

and just because people have some resources or you don't have resources,

Barron Damon: 00:50:22

you might not have any issues that that's really important to you that you really

Barron Damon: 00:50:26

care about or want to invest your time, your talent, or your treasure with.

Barron Damon: 00:50:30

And so we help them discover that.

Barron Damon: 00:50:32

And once they discover that and start getting empowered by that,

Barron Damon: 00:50:37

We helped them create their mission and their vision around it.

Barron Damon: 00:50:41

we created years ago.

Barron Damon: 00:50:42

One of the best things we did was create a mission for our family, right?

Barron Damon: 00:50:46

And this is the thing that guides us as a family.

Barron Damon: 00:50:49

25 years later, 26 years later, it guides us.

Barron Damon: 00:50:53

And so we want that same mission and vision to guide our clients in terms of.

Barron Damon: 00:50:59

What they want to do philanthropically.

Barron Damon: 00:51:02

And then we put a whole strategic plan together and we have a team of

Barron Damon: 00:51:05

researchers and they research for for us.

Barron Damon: 00:51:09

I mean, for the for them.

Barron Damon: 00:51:10

We know people don't have a lot of time.

Barron Damon: 00:51:12

They're not thinking about philanthropy.

Barron Damon: 00:51:14

We talked about that at the onset of the show, right?

Barron Damon: 00:51:17

But we want them to carve out some time, but we're going to take the time

Barron Damon: 00:51:20

to help them do the due diligence.

Barron Damon: 00:51:22

And that's really important.

Barron Damon: 00:51:24

The word.

Barron Damon: 00:51:25

We've been using big words there, right?

Barron Damon: 00:51:27

Due diligence is important because we take the burden off of them

Barron Damon: 00:51:31

and remove some of those barriers and do all the work for them.

Barron Damon: 00:51:35

But we empower them with the information that we have so they can make the

Barron Damon: 00:51:40

decision that aligns with their deepest

Tim Winders: 00:51:43

Right.

Tim Winders: 00:51:43

So Baron, do you, the first thing that.

Tim Winders: 00:51:46

Kind of came to mind when you were talking about the need to understand

Tim Winders: 00:51:48

their mission or their vision.

Tim Winders: 00:51:50

I do wonder how many people really understand where they

Tim Winders: 00:52:00

would like those resources to go.

Tim Winders: 00:52:03

I mean, I, I guess maybe this is I'll, I'll pose it in the form of a question.

Tim Winders: 00:52:07

How many people that come to you say, listen, we want to support Blank.

Tim Winders: 00:52:13

We, we want to help eradicate sex trafficking, just as an example.

Tim Winders: 00:52:18

And we want, you know, 80 percent of our financial resources to go towards that.

Tim Winders: 00:52:23

To me, my guess is most people that come to you haven't gotten anywhere

Tim Winders: 00:52:29

near defining something like that.

Tim Winders: 00:52:30

Would that be correct?

Barron Damon: 00:52:32

Right.

Barron Damon: 00:52:33

That would be correct.

Barron Damon: 00:52:34

and a lot of times, even when people have, and the research says, if people have

Barron Damon: 00:52:38

donate advised funds, right, those are funds that you can put away, get the tax

Barron Damon: 00:52:43

break, and they just kind of sit there.

Barron Damon: 00:52:46

and part of the challenge is that, people have with donate advised

Barron Damon: 00:52:48

fund, the money is accumulating, but they're not giving it away.

Barron Damon: 00:52:52

and they supposed to, because that's a part of this, tax benefit.

Barron Damon: 00:52:56

and so we help even those people who say, man, I have this money

Barron Damon: 00:53:01

just kind of sitting there.

Barron Damon: 00:53:03

What can I do with it?

Barron Damon: 00:53:04

And if, if they have a vehicle, at least.

Barron Damon: 00:53:08

They are ready to have that conversation.

Barron Damon: 00:53:10

and 75 percent of the people who at least have some kind of vehicle, it

Barron Damon: 00:53:14

could be a foundation like we have, or it could be a donated advice fund.

Barron Damon: 00:53:17

They're ready now to at least have a conversation about

Barron Damon: 00:53:20

where we want to put the money.

Barron Damon: 00:53:22

So there's two, two issues.

Barron Damon: 00:53:23

The first one I mentioned is they don't know issues they care about.

Barron Damon: 00:53:27

And then secondly, they don't know where the money is going to go.

Tim Winders: 00:53:30

Right.

Tim Winders: 00:53:31

So let's talk about where the money goes.

Tim Winders: 00:53:33

I love talking structure.

Tim Winders: 00:53:35

I had a trust conversation with a client that I work with yesterday.

Tim Winders: 00:53:39

done a lot of real estate and I'm not a

Tim Winders: 00:53:42

lawyer, not an accountant, but I know way too much about this stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:53:45

We actually, our family has a family foundation.

Tim Winders: 00:53:48

Also, I noticed that you've got a foundation.

Tim Winders: 00:53:52

We're not going to go into details on them, but just

Tim Winders: 00:53:55

talk about some of the, the tools or structures that, and we're probably

Tim Winders: 00:54:02

going to give people enough information to say, I got to talk to Barron

Tim Winders: 00:54:04

here, but what are some of them?

Tim Winders: 00:54:07

We mentioned foundation, which, you know, it can be a 501 C3.

Tim Winders: 00:54:10

It can be an operating or whatever, but talk about some of those, just

Tim Winders: 00:54:14

kind of lay a few of those out for us.

Barron Damon: 00:54:17

So I think the one that's most popular that I just mentioned, the

Barron Damon: 00:54:22

donor advised fund, and you can start those funds with, we started with 5, 000.

Barron Damon: 00:54:28

My wife got a bonus on her job and we decided that we were going to put

Barron Damon: 00:54:33

that 5, 000 in and it removed some of the, The work for that particular

Barron Damon: 00:54:39

philanthropist or donor because they don't have to worry about from a tax

Barron Damon: 00:54:43

perspective, they, that, that organization where they put the money in, they

Barron Damon: 00:54:47

do all the back office stuff, right?

Barron Damon: 00:54:49

So at the end of the year, they send you the receipts, all the information,

Barron Damon: 00:54:53

but you just go online and select the nonprofit that you want to support.

Barron Damon: 00:54:58

And they've done some due diligence, not like what we do, but at least they know

Barron Damon: 00:55:03

if that organization is a legal 501c3.

Barron Damon: 00:55:06

and then you have more advanced vehicles like a charitable lead trust.

Barron Damon: 00:55:12

You know, that's something that, people can take advantage of where, you know,

Barron Damon: 00:55:16

for 20 years, your family members, beneficiaries can get the money.

Barron Damon: 00:55:21

And then, for the next, however much money you have, a nonprofit could be

Barron Damon: 00:55:26

designated to get that money, right?

Barron Damon: 00:55:28

That's a, that's a wonderful vehicle.

Barron Damon: 00:55:30

If you want to go that route, a But you can also do something like a, a channel

Barron Damon: 00:55:35

remainder trust where the nonprofit gets the remainder of the money up front.

Barron Damon: 00:55:40

And so there's different ways I was reading.

Barron Damon: 00:55:43

I'm actually taking my, my license, my life and health

Barron Damon: 00:55:47

insurance license right now.

Barron Damon: 00:55:49

and I was reading about annuities.

Barron Damon: 00:55:50

I was like, Ooh, I gotta be able to tell my clients about there's some annuities

Barron Damon: 00:55:55

that you can use for charitable giving.

Barron Damon: 00:55:57

And so all of those, all of those are wonderful opportunities.

Barron Damon: 00:56:00

to, you know, do philanthropic giving through those

Tim Winders: 00:56:04

Sure.

Tim Winders: 00:56:04

And those are things that people probably have interest is.

Tim Winders: 00:56:07

Peaked.

Tim Winders: 00:56:08

They need to gather more information.

Tim Winders: 00:56:10

I think one thing I'd love to do here in our last few minutes, Baron,

Tim Winders: 00:56:14

is I'd love for you to speak to someone who is, they're listening

Tim Winders: 00:56:18

in and they're intrigued, but they don't really know how to get started.

Tim Winders: 00:56:25

Maybe that means pick up the phone and call you, but let's

Tim Winders: 00:56:27

just assume that they're, they may not think they're ready for that.

Tim Winders: 00:56:32

And they just want to kind of start getting in the mindset or getting some

Tim Winders: 00:56:34

practical things going along just to get started with this, philanthropic mindset

Tim Winders: 00:56:41

and also what, what could you tell people maybe a few tips or just some get started

Tim Winders: 00:56:46

items to think in a philanthropic way,

Barron Damon: 00:56:52

The first thing I would say, and Tim, I will send you a free PDF that,

Barron Damon: 00:56:57

you know, I love to give to people because I always say, if you don't work with me,

Barron Damon: 00:57:03

if you give, I'm still benefiting, right?

Barron Damon: 00:57:06

I don't know who you're giving to, but I'm still benefiting because I'm

Barron Damon: 00:57:10

a philanthropist and I love mankind.

Barron Damon: 00:57:12

Right.

Barron Damon: 00:57:13

so the first thing they can do is decide what does you care about?

Barron Damon: 00:57:20

That's the number one thing you can do.

Barron Damon: 00:57:23

You can do some soul searching around that area.

Barron Damon: 00:57:26

What are some of the things, you may not even think about that you care about it,

Barron Damon: 00:57:30

but something maybe that irritates you.

Barron Damon: 00:57:33

You know, and sometime it comes through irritation.

Barron Damon: 00:57:35

You're like, I really don't like this particular thing.

Barron Damon: 00:57:39

That's something that you actually care about and start

Barron Damon: 00:57:42

exploring that a little bit more.

Barron Damon: 00:57:44

And then once you kind of figure that out, start doing

Barron Damon: 00:57:48

your research on the nonprofit.

Barron Damon: 00:57:50

and making sure the last thing you want to do is just like any investment, you

Barron Damon: 00:57:55

don't want to give your money away to an organization that's not going to value it

Barron Damon: 00:58:01

and they're not going to use it properly.

Barron Damon: 00:58:04

And sometimes, Matter of fact, I just had an article published, just

Barron Damon: 00:58:08

found out today that was published.

Barron Damon: 00:58:10

This is why nonprofits are good unless you've been catfished, right?

Barron Damon: 00:58:15

So, there's a lot of uncertainty out there.

Barron Damon: 00:58:19

Fifty one percent of the people say I don't give because I don't trust them.

Barron Damon: 00:58:23

I don't trust nonprofits.

Barron Damon: 00:58:24

And those are the two things you can do.

Barron Damon: 00:58:27

Figure out the, what you really care about and then do the research.

Barron Damon: 00:58:31

Or you can, if you have some money you want to donate, you can go, to

Barron Damon: 00:58:35

one of the, the community foundations and talk to somebody about opening

Barron Damon: 00:58:41

up, a DAAF, a Donate Advise Fund.

Barron Damon: 00:58:44

And that's a good way to kind of get started because at least

Barron Damon: 00:58:47

you can have it sitting there.

Barron Damon: 00:58:49

You know, because you've made that commitment to give it and say, you

Barron Damon: 00:58:52

know, I'm gonna put 5, 000, 10, 000.

Barron Damon: 00:58:54

I'm not sure exactly yet what I want to do, but at least I have

Barron Damon: 00:58:58

some time to start giving it away.

Barron Damon: 00:59:00

But once you put that money, it's irrevocable.

Barron Damon: 00:59:03

So it's not like, Oh, I changed my mind.

Barron Damon: 00:59:05

Let me get that back out and do something else with it.

Barron Damon: 00:59:08

That ain't happening.

Barron Damon: 00:59:09

so at least you can kind of lead with that.

Barron Damon: 00:59:13

And that will spur you on to, to make that decision about, starting

Barron Damon: 00:59:17

your philanthropic journey.

Tim Winders: 00:59:18

Great tips there, Baron, I appreciate that, especially for the

Tim Winders: 00:59:21

person that may not have even thought about any of that before this call.

Tim Winders: 00:59:25

If someone says they want to work with you or get more info from

Tim Winders: 00:59:29

you, where do you want them to go?

Tim Winders: 00:59:33

Direct them wherever this is where you could promote whatever you need to.

Tim Winders: 00:59:36

And if you do have a

Tim Winders: 00:59:37

PDF and we may include a link or something down in the notes, but

Tim Winders: 00:59:41

anything like that, share that now.

Barron Damon: 00:59:43

You can reach, reach me at baron damon.

Barron Damon: 00:59:47

com real simple, baron damon.

Barron Damon: 00:59:50

com or go to LinkedIn baron, Jay Damon, you can find me there and I respond

Barron Damon: 00:59:57

pretty quick and we'll, connect with you.

Barron Damon: 00:59:59

You can go to our website, business of life, right?

Barron Damon: 01:00:03

cc.

Barron Damon: 01:00:03

com as well.

Barron Damon: 01:00:05

but those are three main ways that you can get in contact with us.

Tim Winders: 01:00:08

Very good.

Tim Winders: 01:00:08

We'll include all that.

Tim Winders: 01:00:09

Make sure you reach out to Baron.

Tim Winders: 01:00:11

If you are intrigued or want to learn more Baron, we're seek go create

Tim Winders: 01:00:16

those three words, I'm either going to force or allow you to choose one of

Tim Winders: 01:00:20

those over the other two as my final question, seek, go or create and why.

Barron Damon: 01:00:27

I would say go and I would say go because this philanthropic

Barron Damon: 01:00:32

journey that I'm on, it's, it's my, my mission to go, you know, as the Bible

Barron Damon: 01:00:39

says, go out into the highways and the byways and share, share the gospel.

Barron Damon: 01:00:46

And we want to share the gospel.

Barron Damon: 01:00:49

We also want to talk to people the importance of giving, because

Barron Damon: 01:00:55

we see that through, through the Bible, all through the Bible.

Barron Damon: 01:00:58

And the greatest gift that was given to us was.

Barron Damon: 01:01:02

God's son, Jesus who died on the cross for us.

Barron Damon: 01:01:05

There's no greater gift.

Barron Damon: 01:01:07

And so I even talk about that when, you know, when I can, that great gift.

Barron Damon: 01:01:12

And we have a responsibility, to teach and share with the next generation,

Barron Damon: 01:01:18

how important it is to give back.

Barron Damon: 01:01:20

So I would say go into all the nations.

Tim Winders: 01:01:24

I appreciate that Baron.

Tim Winders: 01:01:25

I've enjoyed the conversation.

Tim Winders: 01:01:27

I loved, loved the money morning manna conversation.

Tim Winders: 01:01:30

We have loved

Tim Winders: 01:01:30

the conversation about giving and philanthropic giving and things like that.

Tim Winders: 01:01:35

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Tim Winders: 01:01:37

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